From leo at finalresort.org Mon Feb 2 09:23:27 2009 From: leo at finalresort.org (Leo R.Lundgren) Date: Mon Feb 2 09:24:36 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FM SQL capabilities? Message-ID: <152EE05F-CDF0-4F71-86F8-9FB2AF60C9DC@finalresort.org> Dear list, This is slightly off topic, but may I ask you what the current features in FM's support for SQL databases are? I know there has been ODBC support since long, but I am asking about the more "built- in" (even though I know one still needs the ODBC drivers) support called ESS. - I have been reading a bit about it, but I constantly get the impression that ESS can only /read/ data from SQL sources, it doesn't seem to be able to create or update records in the SQL source. Is this correct? - If so, is it also correct that in order to have a FileMaker database update one value in a SQL database, I need to use the Execute SQL script step, together with an ODBC driver? - If so, is it also correct that in order to update that SQL database using the Execute SQL script step, I need to have the ODBC drivers and connections set up on each client, i.e. I cannot have the FM server supply the ODBC connection used for the updating? I believe so after reading the following in the ESS tech brief: "One important note about the ODBC Import and Execute SQL features is that they are not able to take advantage of server-side DSNs, as is the ESS feature set. DSNs defined on a remote host are only available to ESS operations. Using ODBC Import and Execute SQL still necessitates configuring a DSN on each client desktop." - Also, if doing this "update using ODBC", how slow would it be? Currently I have a solution where a web viewer in FM triggers a PHP script on a remote server, which then fetches a tiny bit of data from the FM server and inserts it into a MySQL database on the remote server. A collegue reports that this is slow and doesn't work sometimes though, which is why we're investigating other alternatives. Thank you in advance. -| From andersm at alamark.com Mon Feb 2 09:43:40 2009 From: andersm at alamark.com (Anders Monsen) Date: Mon Feb 2 09:43:43 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FM SQL capabilities? In-Reply-To: <152EE05F-CDF0-4F71-86F8-9FB2AF60C9DC@finalresort.org> References: <152EE05F-CDF0-4F71-86F8-9FB2AF60C9DC@finalresort.org> Message-ID: On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Leo R.Lundgren wrote: > - I have been reading a bit about it, but I constantly get the > impression that ESS can only /read/ data from SQL sources, it > doesn't seem to be able to create or update records in the SQL > source. Is this correct? ESS does in fact allow record creation and updates. There are certain requirements, but we have been able to work around these and create/ update records in mySQL. I also know that MS SQL and Oracle should work the same way. The requirement include having write access, and being aware of the field definitions in the SQL table. On the Mac OS side you may need to purchase ODBC drivers. On Windows we were able to install these from within the existing OS. --- Anders Monsen AlaMark Technologies From leo at finalresort.org Mon Feb 2 10:02:09 2009 From: leo at finalresort.org (Leo R. Lundgren) Date: Mon Feb 2 10:02:14 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FM SQL capabilities? In-Reply-To: References: <152EE05F-CDF0-4F71-86F8-9FB2AF60C9DC@finalresort.org> Message-ID: <9ACDADB5-591E-41C4-816B-219A44D6B3CB@finalresort.org> 2 feb 2009 kl. 17.43 skrev Anders Monsen: > On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Leo R.Lundgren wrote: > >> - I have been reading a bit about it, but I constantly get the >> impression that ESS can only /read/ data from SQL sources, it >> doesn't seem to be able to create or update records in the SQL >> source. Is this correct? > > ESS does in fact allow record creation and updates. There are > certain requirements, but we have been able to work around these > and create/update records in mySQL. I also know that MS SQL and > Oracle should work the same way. > > The requirement include having write access, and being aware of the > field definitions in the SQL table. On the Mac OS side you may need > to purchase ODBC drivers. On Windows we were able to install these > from within the existing OS. Hi, and thanks, That didn't sound as bad as I expected :-) So, would the following be a correct summary of what needs to be done to update the MySQL database using ESS? 1) Set up a user and CRU(D) privileges in MySQL, for the FM database/ user. 2) Set up ODBC and its DNS on the FM server, for connections to the MySQL database. 3) Go ahead and embed the MySQL table in question in the FileMaker database definition. I suppose it's quite straight forward in step #3, or is there anything special that needs to be done in order to enable FM to update the tables as well? Is there any special ODBC drivers you'd recommend? I think the environment is both OS X and Windows. -| From andersm at alamark.com Mon Feb 2 10:09:38 2009 From: andersm at alamark.com (Anders Monsen) Date: Mon Feb 2 10:09:43 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FM SQL capabilities? In-Reply-To: <9ACDADB5-591E-41C4-816B-219A44D6B3CB@finalresort.org> References: <152EE05F-CDF0-4F71-86F8-9FB2AF60C9DC@finalresort.org> <9ACDADB5-591E-41C4-816B-219A44D6B3CB@finalresort.org> Message-ID: <43416EB1-9995-43BB-8270-5E3484A19F43@alamark.com> On Feb 2, 2009, at 11:02 AM, Leo R. Lundgren wrote: > That didn't sound as bad as I expected :-) So, would the following > be a correct summary of what needs to be done to update the MySQL > database using ESS? > > 1) Set up a user and CRU(D) privileges in MySQL, for the FM > database/user. > 2) Set up ODBC and its DNS on the FM server, for connections to the > MySQL database. > 3) Go ahead and embed the MySQL table in question in the FileMaker > database definition. > > I suppose it's quite straight forward in step #3, or is there > anything special that needs to be done in order to enable FM to > update the tables as well? > > Is there any special ODBC drivers you'd recommend? I think the > environment is both OS X and Windows In Windows you can use the system based ODBC drives. For Mac I would recommend Actual Technologies (contact Jonathan Monroe @ monroej@actualtechnologies.com for any questions). We bought the 250 user license for one solution even though we won't have that many users, but there is no level between 10 users and 250). Numbers 1 and 2 are relatively easy. Create the user and password with the privs you want in MySQL, then set up the ODBC system drivers, then connect to these in FM using the External Data Sources. You then can bring in the MySQL table into the FM db via the Relationships Graph. Test your connection as you now should see data. If you want to update FMP data first (in separate tables) and then set the MySQL data I believe you need to write scripts for this, but you also should be able to edit data directly and create new records from within the layout that displays the MySQL data. Regards, Anders From bob at patin.com Wed Feb 4 10:44:58 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Wed Feb 4 10:45:05 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Fwd: Storing an array in a session variable References: Message-ID: Is it possible to store an array in a single session variable? In my project, I have an array called $pay[], which can have any number of variables (I'm blanking on what you call array values...); can I just write this $_SESSION['pay'] = $pay; or do I somehow need to set up the session variable because I'm storing an array? Or do I have to store each array value separately... groan? Thanks, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting From ggt667 at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 10:48:13 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Wed Feb 4 10:48:16 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Fwd: Storing an array in a session variable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do this all the time, but I make a project key layer right after the _SESSION Mine would look like this: $_SESSION[$projectKey]['pay'] = $pay; ggt 2009/2/4 Bob Patin : > Is it possible to store an array in a single session variable? > > In my project, I have an array called $pay[], which can have any number of > variables (I'm blanking on what you call array values...); can I just write > this > > $_SESSION['pay'] = $pay; > > or do I somehow need to set up the session variable because I'm storing an > array? > > Or do I have to store each array value separately... groan? > > Thanks, > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From bob at patin.com Wed Feb 4 10:49:52 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Wed Feb 4 10:49:57 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Fwd: Storing an array in a session variable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never mind, found what I was doing wrong... to answer my own question, YES... :) BP On Feb 4, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Bob Patin wrote: > Is it possible to store an array in a single session variable? > > In my project, I have an array called $pay[], which can have any > number of variables (I'm blanking on what you call array values...); > can I just write this > > $_SESSION['pay'] = $pay; > > or do I somehow need to set up the session variable because I'm > storing an array? > > Or do I have to store each array value separately... groan? > > Thanks, > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From dbengston at tds.net Wed Feb 4 10:52:53 2009 From: dbengston at tds.net (Dale Bengston) Date: Wed Feb 4 10:52:56 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Fwd: Storing an array in a session variable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bob, Yes, that's all there is to it. I do it all the time! Dale On Feb 4, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Bob Patin wrote: > Is it possible to store an array in a single session variable? > > In my project, I have an array called $pay[], which can have any > number of variables (I'm blanking on what you call array values...); > can I just write this > > $_SESSION['pay'] = $pay; > > or do I somehow need to set up the session variable because I'm > storing an array? > > Or do I have to store each array value separately... groan? > > Thanks, > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? 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Message-ID: Has anyone here used pyFileMaker on Windows? ggt667 From criticalsolution at comcast.net Thu Feb 5 15:56:00 2009 From: criticalsolution at comcast.net (criticalsolution@comcast.net) Date: Thu Feb 5 15:56:03 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance Message-ID: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor FMSA 9 or 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech support when there is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought that there might be some ways to do this in FX/PHP? Thank you, John Funk Critical Solution From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Thu Feb 5 16:03:41 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:03:52 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi John, FMS itself can send automated emails when it detects any issue with the server situation... The other thing that I've done is to write a simple php script, which is then run on a win2k3 server scheduled task every 5 min which attempts to do a findAny() using fx on a series of database tables which should be accessible... if it fails on any of those, then that PHP script sends me an email with the name of the table in the message... I also have similar code in all of the web solutions I develop such that if a user ever attempts to connect to a db and that call fails then I get an email which tells me that... All of the above email go into an account which my mobile phone also monitors so that I get notification almost in real time by email and alert on my mobile... Hope this helps... if you want code examples let me know... Cheers Steve On 5 Feb 2009, at 22:56, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: > Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor > FMSA 9 or 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech > support when there is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought > that there might be some ways to do this in FX/PHP? > > Thank you, > > John Funk > Critical Solution > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090205/4f4b78cb/attachment-0001.html From jfunk at criticalsolution.com Thu Feb 5 16:16:29 2009 From: jfunk at criticalsolution.com (John Funk) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:16:42 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Steve, I will check the email on the server part. I do not know if this gives the detail my customer wants. I may end up reading the FMSA log files(s) A sample PHP script would be nice to see. Thanks again John On 2/5/09 5:03 PM, "Steve Winter" wrote: > Hi John, > > FMS itself can send automated emails when it detects any issue with the server > situation... > > The other thing that I've done is to write a simple php script, which is then > run on a win2k3 server scheduled task every 5 min which attempts to do a > findAny() using fx on a series of database tables which should be > accessible... if it fails on any of those, then that PHP script sends me an > email with the name of the table in the message... I also have similar code in > all of the web solutions I develop such that if a user ever attempts to > connect to a db and that call fails then I get an email which tells me that... > > All of the above email go into an account which my mobile phone also monitors > so that I get notification almost in real time by email and alert on my > mobile... > > Hope this helps... if you want code examples let me know... > > Cheers > Steve > > > On 5 Feb 2009, at 22:56, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: > >> Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor FMSA 9 or >> 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech support when there is >> trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought that there might be some ways to >> do this in FX/PHP? >> >> Thank you, >> >> John Funk >> Critical Solution >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > Steve Winter > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090205/d84306b3/attachment.html From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Thu Feb 5 16:28:58 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:29:05 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55D3C589-8925-44BB-A379-9839099E5E4D@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Hi John, Here's an example of what I do 'inline'... with the first db call that will be made to any particular solution... Cheers Steve $productQuery = new FX($serverIP, $serverPort, $dataSourceType); $productQuery->SetDBUserPass($webUN, $webPW); $productQuery->SetDBData("schedules", "productAreas"); $productQuery->AddSortParam('productSortOrder', 'ascend'); $productQuery->AddDBParam('productAreaDisplay','no','neq'); $productData = $productQuery->FMFind(); if(isset($productData) && is_array($productData) && isset($productData['data'])) { // do the regular stuff else { $errorData = $productData; include('assets/includes/errorReporter.php'); } Then errorReporter.php says; //display user message echo '

An error has occured

' . '

An error has occured conneecting to the host database. The site administrator has been notified. Please try your query again at a later time.

' . '

We apologise for this inconvienience
The '.$siteName.' web team

'; // send me an email require_once('assets/includes/phpMailer/mailer.php'); $staffMailer = new Mailer(); $staffMailer->Subject = $sitename.' site error'; $staffMailer->FromName = $sitename; $staffMailer->From = 'database@matatirosolutions.co.uk'; $staffMailer->Body = '

The '.$sitename.' site is currently reporting an error

The error data is '.showMe($errorData).'

; $staffMailer->isHTML(true); $staffMailer->AddAddress('steve@matatirosolutions.co.uk', 'Steve Winter'); if(!$staffMailer->Send()) $mailError = 'error'; $staffMailer->ClearAddresses(); $staffMailer->ClearAttachments(); On 5 Feb 2009, at 23:16, John Funk wrote: > Thanks Steve, > I will check the email on the server part. I do not know if this > gives the detail my customer wants. I may end up reading the FMSA > log files(s) > A sample PHP script would be nice to see. > Thanks again > John > > > On 2/5/09 5:03 PM, "Steve Winter" wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> FMS itself can send automated emails when it detects any issue with >> the server situation... >> >> The other thing that I've done is to write a simple php script, >> which is then run on a win2k3 server scheduled task every 5 min >> which attempts to do a findAny() using fx on a series of database >> tables which should be accessible... if it fails on any of those, >> then that PHP script sends me an email with the name of the table >> in the message... I also have similar code in all of the web >> solutions I develop such that if a user ever attempts to connect to >> a db and that call fails then I get an email which tells me that... >> >> All of the above email go into an account which my mobile phone >> also monitors so that I get notification almost in real time by >> email and alert on my mobile... >> >> Hope this helps... if you want code examples let me know... >> >> Cheers >> Steve >> >> >> On 5 Feb 2009, at 22:56, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor >>> FMSA 9 or 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech >>> support when there is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought >>> that there might be some ways to do this in FX/PHP? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> John Funk >>> Critical Solution >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> >> Steve Winter >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090205/8c579b00/attachment-0001.html From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Thu Feb 5 16:31:39 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:31:46 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <995C3AC2-2486-439E-BBD0-84FEE05F4CF2@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Should also have mentioned that in FMSA 9 the email options are under Configuration > General settings > Email notifications where you configure details about your smtp server, then set it to send emails... Cheers Steve On 5 Feb 2009, at 23:16, John Funk wrote: > Thanks Steve, > I will check the email on the server part. I do not know if this > gives the detail my customer wants. I may end up reading the FMSA > log files(s) > A sample PHP script would be nice to see. > Thanks again > John > > > On 2/5/09 5:03 PM, "Steve Winter" wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> FMS itself can send automated emails when it detects any issue with >> the server situation... >> >> The other thing that I've done is to write a simple php script, >> which is then run on a win2k3 server scheduled task every 5 min >> which attempts to do a findAny() using fx on a series of database >> tables which should be accessible... if it fails on any of those, >> then that PHP script sends me an email with the name of the table >> in the message... I also have similar code in all of the web >> solutions I develop such that if a user ever attempts to connect to >> a db and that call fails then I get an email which tells me that... >> >> All of the above email go into an account which my mobile phone >> also monitors so that I get notification almost in real time by >> email and alert on my mobile... >> >> Hope this helps... if you want code examples let me know... >> >> Cheers >> Steve >> >> >> On 5 Feb 2009, at 22:56, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor >>> FMSA 9 or 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech >>> support when there is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought >>> that there might be some ways to do this in FX/PHP? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> John Funk >>> Critical Solution >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> >> Steve Winter >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090205/fbde5cc0/attachment.html From bob at patin.com Thu Feb 5 17:00:12 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Thu Feb 5 17:00:18 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> Message-ID: Fortunately, this isn't an issue here; our FileMaker servers are rock- solid, thankfully. Back in the CDML days I had a utility on the Mac (PageSentry) that would poll all the FM Unlimited machines every 4 minutes, and if it didn't respond properly from a DB query, the machine would automatically be restarted. I don't think PageSentry ever made it into OS X; it was perfect. You could set up a db query, a ping, a page request, whatever you wanted, and then tell it what to do in the case of failure. In conjunction with special power strips from Sophisticated Circuits, you could brute- force recycle power on a single A/C socket. Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 5, 2009, at 4:56 PM, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: > Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor > FMSA 9 or 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech > support when there is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought > that there might be some ways to do this in FX/PHP? > > Thank you, > > John Funk > Critical Solution > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From ggt667 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 00:36:59 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Fri Feb 6 00:37:02 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> Message-ID: Now that's a nice idea, but is it for real? Do people who are shot or sick function realiably? Of course the best way is to listen to the ports on main page for your FX.php, and if there is no response the webserver should send the mail message, I take for granted in this statement that you have FMSA and web server on two different machines. ggt 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > Hi John, > FMS itself can send automated emails when it detects any issue with the > server situation... > The other thing that I've done is to write a simple php script, which is > then run on a win2k3 server scheduled task every 5 min which attempts to do > a findAny() using fx on a series of database tables which should be > accessible... if it fails on any of those, then that PHP script sends me an > email with the name of the table in the message... I also have similar code > in all of the web solutions I develop such that if a user ever attempts to > connect to a db and that call fails then I get an email which tells me > that... > All of the above email go into an account which my mobile phone also > monitors so that I get notification almost in real time by email and alert > on my mobile... > Hope this helps... if you want code examples let me know... > Cheers > Steve > > On 5 Feb 2009, at 22:56, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: > > Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor FMSA 9 or > 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech support when there > is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought that there might be some ways > to do this in FX/PHP? > > Thank you, > > John Funk > Critical Solution > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Fri Feb 6 01:48:17 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Fri Feb 6 01:48:26 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Hi ggt, I'm not really sure what you mean by 'Now that's a nice idea, but is it for real?' Almost all of the systems that I'm running are a two-server setup, which has the web server on one (or more) box(es) talking to the database server(s) on another box (or boxes), with my 'checking' script running on the web server... In my experience 99% of issues with FileMaker based solutions (which use Apache as the web server) are caused by a problem on the Database server, and not the web server... and even on single machine installs, the system itself is usually 'live' and so a command line based PHP script will still be able to run and send email... I've frequently had emails from the system to tell me that there's a problem and been able to resolve it proactively before the client/ customer even knows that there is an issue. Over time, and as FMP has moved to a much more stable server architecture, the frequency of these messages has decreased... YMMV Cheers Steve On 6 Feb 2009, at 07:36, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > Now that's a nice idea, but is it for real? > > Do people who are shot or sick function realiably? > > Of course the best way is to listen to the ports on main page for > your FX.php, > and if there is no response the webserver should send the mail > message, I take for granted in this statement that you have FMSA and > web server on two different machines. > > ggt > > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >> Hi John, >> FMS itself can send automated emails when it detects any issue with >> the >> server situation... >> The other thing that I've done is to write a simple php script, >> which is >> then run on a win2k3 server scheduled task every 5 min which >> attempts to do >> a findAny() using fx on a series of database tables which should be >> accessible... if it fails on any of those, then that PHP script >> sends me an >> email with the name of the table in the message... I also have >> similar code >> in all of the web solutions I develop such that if a user ever >> attempts to >> connect to a db and that call fails then I get an email which tells >> me >> that... >> All of the above email go into an account which my mobile phone also >> monitors so that I get notification almost in real time by email >> and alert >> on my mobile... >> Hope this helps... if you want code examples let me know... >> Cheers >> Steve >> >> On 5 Feb 2009, at 22:56, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: >> >> Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor >> FMSA 9 or >> 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech support >> when there >> is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought that there might be >> some ways >> to do this in FX/PHP? >> >> Thank you, >> >> John Funk >> Critical Solution >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090206/defcc6cf/attachment-0001.html From ggt667 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 02:01:14 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Fri Feb 6 02:01:18 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: I am questioning whether or not it's possible for the same node that is if I understand you correctly possible to diagnose itself and still send an email if something is really wrong. For my system I do a port scan of port 80 on the FMSA machine and simulatenously I do this port scan on the web server, however I do NOT perform this portscan from any of those two machines running the services. Was I clear or confusing now? ggt 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > Hi ggt, > I'm not really sure what you mean by 'Now that's a nice idea, but is it for > real?' > Almost all of the systems that I'm running are a two-server setup, which has > the web server on one (or more) box(es) talking to the database server(s) on > another box (or boxes), with my 'checking' script running on the web > server... > In my experience 99% of issues with FileMaker based solutions (which use > Apache as the web server) are caused by a problem on the Database server, > and not the web server... and even on single machine installs, the system > itself is usually 'live' and so a command line based PHP script will still > be able to run and send email... > I've frequently had emails from the system to tell me that there's a problem > and been able to resolve it proactively before the client/customer even > knows that there is an issue. Over time, and as FMP has moved to a much more > stable server architecture, the frequency of these messages has decreased... > YMMV > Cheers > Steve > > On 6 Feb 2009, at 07:36, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > Now that's a nice idea, but is it for real? > > Do people who are shot or sick function realiably? > > Of course the best way is to listen to the ports on main page for your > FX.php, > and if there is no response the webserver should send the mail > message, I take for granted in this statement that you have FMSA and > web server on two different machines. > > ggt > > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > > Hi John, > > FMS itself can send automated emails when it detects any issue with the > > server situation... > > The other thing that I've done is to write a simple php script, which is > > then run on a win2k3 server scheduled task every 5 min which attempts to do > > a findAny() using fx on a series of database tables which should be > > accessible... if it fails on any of those, then that PHP script sends me an > > email with the name of the table in the message... I also have similar code > > in all of the web solutions I develop such that if a user ever attempts to > > connect to a db and that call fails then I get an email which tells me > > that... > > All of the above email go into an account which my mobile phone also > > monitors so that I get notification almost in real time by email and alert > > on my mobile... > > Hope this helps... if you want code examples let me know... > > Cheers > > Steve > > On 5 Feb 2009, at 22:56, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: > > Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor FMSA 9 or > > 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech support when there > > is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought that there might be some ways > > to do this in FX/PHP? > > Thank you, > > John Funk > > Critical Solution > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Fri Feb 6 02:03:42 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Fri Feb 6 02:03:51 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: <66DAF314-D476-4078-B272-DD5C9AD281DE@bluecrocodile.co.nz> I see what you're saying, however as I said, 99+% of the errors I've ever had (aside from a power cut) have been FM related, so running this level of diagnostics on the web server on a system has proved to be sufficient... Cheers Steve On 6 Feb 2009, at 09:01, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > I am questioning whether or not it's possible for the same node that > is if I understand you correctly possible to diagnose itself and still > send an email if something is really wrong. > > For my system I do a port scan of port 80 on the FMSA machine and > simulatenously I do this port scan on the web server, however I do NOT > perform this portscan from any of those two machines running the > services. > > Was I clear or confusing now? > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >> Hi ggt, >> I'm not really sure what you mean by 'Now that's a nice idea, but >> is it for >> real?' >> Almost all of the systems that I'm running are a two-server setup, >> which has >> the web server on one (or more) box(es) talking to the database >> server(s) on >> another box (or boxes), with my 'checking' script running on the web >> server... >> In my experience 99% of issues with FileMaker based solutions >> (which use >> Apache as the web server) are caused by a problem on the Database >> server, >> and not the web server... and even on single machine installs, the >> system >> itself is usually 'live' and so a command line based PHP script >> will still >> be able to run and send email... >> I've frequently had emails from the system to tell me that there's >> a problem >> and been able to resolve it proactively before the client/customer >> even >> knows that there is an issue. Over time, and as FMP has moved to a >> much more >> stable server architecture, the frequency of these messages has >> decreased... >> YMMV >> Cheers >> Steve >> >> On 6 Feb 2009, at 07:36, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> Now that's a nice idea, but is it for real? >> >> Do people who are shot or sick function realiably? >> >> Of course the best way is to listen to the ports on main page for >> your >> FX.php, >> and if there is no response the webserver should send the mail >> message, I take for granted in this statement that you have FMSA and >> web server on two different machines. >> >> ggt >> >> >> 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >> >> Hi John, >> >> FMS itself can send automated emails when it detects any issue with >> the >> >> server situation... >> >> The other thing that I've done is to write a simple php script, >> which is >> >> then run on a win2k3 server scheduled task every 5 min which >> attempts to do >> >> a findAny() using fx on a series of database tables which should be >> >> accessible... if it fails on any of those, then that PHP script >> sends me an >> >> email with the name of the table in the message... I also have >> similar code >> >> in all of the web solutions I develop such that if a user ever >> attempts to >> >> connect to a db and that call fails then I get an email which tells >> me >> >> that... >> >> All of the above email go into an account which my mobile phone also >> >> monitors so that I get notification almost in real time by email >> and alert >> >> on my mobile... >> >> Hope this helps... if you want code examples let me know... >> >> Cheers >> >> Steve >> >> On 5 Feb 2009, at 22:56, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: >> >> Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor >> FMSA 9 or >> >> 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech support >> when there >> >> is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought that there might be >> some ways >> >> to do this in FX/PHP? >> >> Thank you, >> >> John Funk >> >> Critical Solution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090206/b23d889b/attachment.html From ggt667 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 02:37:10 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Fri Feb 6 02:37:13 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: <66DAF314-D476-4078-B272-DD5C9AD281DE@bluecrocodile.co.nz> References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> <66DAF314-D476-4078-B272-DD5C9AD281DE@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: Ok, but that sounds more like a remote debugging feature to me. ggt 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > I see what you're saying, however as I said, 99+% of the errors I've ever > had (aside from a power cut) have been FM related, so running this level of > diagnostics on the web server on a system has proved to be sufficient... > Cheers > Steve > > On 6 Feb 2009, at 09:01, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > I am questioning whether or not it's possible for the same node that > is if I understand you correctly possible to diagnose itself and still > send an email if something is really wrong. > > For my system I do a port scan of port 80 on the FMSA machine and > simulatenously I do this port scan on the web server, however I do NOT > perform this portscan from any of those two machines running the > services. > > Was I clear or confusing now? > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > > Hi ggt, > > I'm not really sure what you mean by 'Now that's a nice idea, but is it for > > real?' > > Almost all of the systems that I'm running are a two-server setup, which has > > the web server on one (or more) box(es) talking to the database server(s) on > > another box (or boxes), with my 'checking' script running on the web > > server... > > In my experience 99% of issues with FileMaker based solutions (which use > > Apache as the web server) are caused by a problem on the Database server, > > and not the web server... and even on single machine installs, the system > > itself is usually 'live' and so a command line based PHP script will still > > be able to run and send email... > > I've frequently had emails from the system to tell me that there's a problem > > and been able to resolve it proactively before the client/customer even > > knows that there is an issue. Over time, and as FMP has moved to a much more > > stable server architecture, the frequency of these messages has decreased... > > YMMV > > Cheers > > Steve > > On 6 Feb 2009, at 07:36, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > Now that's a nice idea, but is it for real? > > Do people who are shot or sick function realiably? > > Of course the best way is to listen to the ports on main page for your > > FX.php, > > and if there is no response the webserver should send the mail > > message, I take for granted in this statement that you have FMSA and > > web server on two different machines. > > ggt > > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > > Hi John, > > FMS itself can send automated emails when it detects any issue with the > > server situation... > > The other thing that I've done is to write a simple php script, which is > > then run on a win2k3 server scheduled task every 5 min which attempts to do > > a findAny() using fx on a series of database tables which should be > > accessible... if it fails on any of those, then that PHP script sends me an > > email with the name of the table in the message... I also have similar code > > in all of the web solutions I develop such that if a user ever attempts to > > connect to a db and that call fails then I get an email which tells me > > that... > > All of the above email go into an account which my mobile phone also > > monitors so that I get notification almost in real time by email and alert > > on my mobile... > > Hope this helps... if you want code examples let me know... > > Cheers > > Steve > > On 5 Feb 2009, at 22:56, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: > > Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor FMSA 9 or > > 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech support when there > > is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought that there might be some ways > > to do this in FX/PHP? > > Thank you, > > John Funk > > Critical Solution > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From rogerkiwi at mac.com Fri Feb 6 04:36:00 2009 From: rogerkiwi at mac.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Fri Feb 6 04:36:04 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: <03192945-DB4C-492E-8B8A-750CB36BE5D8@mac.com> On Feb 6, 2009, at 3:48 AM, Steve Winter wrote: > In my experience 99% of issues with FileMaker based solutions (which > use Apache as the web server) are caused by a problem on the > Database server, and not the web server... and even on single > machine installs, the system itself is usually 'live' and so a > command line based PHP script will still be able to run and send > email... > I'm more with Gjermund on this. On my 2 machine setup, the Database server is more likely to have troubles, and when it does it often isn't alive enough to send the messages. If I don't discover it myself I get eMails from someone who is wondering why the get error 956 (I think that's the number) when trying to connect via Custom Web Publishing. But when the Apache machine is having troubles the database machine is pretty quick to send an eMail out saying that there's a problem. I don't/didn't think that the Apache machine was actively polling the database machine to see if it was alive, and if not sending an eMail - I had assumed that the eMails came only from the database machine, and when it wasn't feeling well it didn't have the wherewithal to send an eMail sometimes. (This is with FileMaker Server 9 - I have, but haven't installed yet FileMaker Server 10) Roger From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Fri Feb 6 05:27:42 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Fri Feb 6 05:27:50 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: <03192945-DB4C-492E-8B8A-750CB36BE5D8@mac.com> References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> <03192945-DB4C-492E-8B8A-750CB36BE5D8@mac.com> Message-ID: On 6 Feb 2009, at 11:36, Roger Moffat wrote: > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 3:48 AM, Steve Winter wrote: > >> In my experience 99% of issues with FileMaker based solutions >> (which use Apache as the web server) are caused by a problem on the >> Database server, and not the web server... and even on single >> machine installs, the system itself is usually 'live' and so a >> command line based PHP script will still be able to run and send >> email... >> > > I'm more with Gjermund on this. On my 2 machine setup, the Database > server is more likely to have troubles, and when it does it often > isn't alive enough to send the messages. If I don't discover it > myself I get eMails from someone who is wondering why the get error > 956 (I think that's the number) when trying to connect via Custom > Web Publishing. But that was exactly my point...! that the web server will still be live, but the database server dead, which is why I have scripts running on the web server to test if the database server is still alive and if it's not, then send me an email... I have a two-prong approach, I have error trapping code in my solutions which send an email if they ever get an FX::Error (though obviously for this to happen some end-user will also have seen an error, and I have a script called from the command line, which performs a query, and if that fails, it triggers an email alert... and both of those things run on the web server in a two-machine setup... > But when the Apache machine is having troubles the database machine > is pretty quick to send an eMail out saying that there's a problem. > > I don't/didn't think that the Apache machine was actively polling > the database machine to see if it was alive, and if not sending an > eMail - I had assumed that the eMails came only from the database > machine, and when it wasn't feeling well it didn't have the > wherewithal to send an eMail sometimes. You're quite correct, all of this relates to the automated emails which FMS itself sends, which wasn't really what I was talking about ;-) Cheers Steve > (This is with FileMaker Server 9 - I have, but haven't installed yet > FileMaker Server 10) > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090206/142d5780/attachment.html From rogerkiwi at mac.com Fri Feb 6 05:39:22 2009 From: rogerkiwi at mac.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Fri Feb 6 05:39:27 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> <03192945-DB4C-492E-8B8A-750CB36BE5D8@mac.com> Message-ID: On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Steve Winter wrote: > But that was exactly my point...! that the web server will still be > live, but the database server dead, which is why I have scripts > running on the web server to test if the database server is still > alive and if it's not, then send me an email... I have a two-prong > approach, I have error trapping code in my solutions which send an > email if they ever get an FX::Error (though obviously for this to > happen some end-user will also have seen an error, and I have a > script called from the command line, which performs a query, and if > that fails, it triggers an email alert... and both of those things > run on the web server in a two-machine setup... Sorry, by the time I'd read the later responses I'd forgotten you'd posted about this previously. Yes with your approach you do have it covered. I don't have anything on the Apache server machine to test the FileMaker Server machine. So far all of my solutions are using BlackBelt from FMWebSchool running my olde CDML files with some modifications to them. But I'm about ready to start the move away from BlackBelt I think. Roger From ggt667 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 05:59:15 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Fri Feb 6 05:59:19 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> <03192945-DB4C-492E-8B8A-750CB36BE5D8@mac.com> Message-ID: Black belt? Is that a grade in Karate? ggt 2009/2/6 Roger Moffat : > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Steve Winter wrote: > >> But that was exactly my point...! that the web server will still be live, >> but the database server dead, which is why I have scripts running on the web >> server to test if the database server is still alive and if it's not, then >> send me an email... I have a two-prong approach, I have error trapping code >> in my solutions which send an email if they ever get an FX::Error (though >> obviously for this to happen some end-user will also have seen an error, and >> I have a script called from the command line, which performs a query, and if >> that fails, it triggers an email alert... and both of those things run on >> the web server in a two-machine setup... > > Sorry, by the time I'd read the later responses I'd forgotten you'd posted > about this previously. > > Yes with your approach you do have it covered. I don't have anything on the > Apache server machine to test the FileMaker Server machine. So far all of my > solutions are using BlackBelt from FMWebSchool running my olde CDML files > with some modifications to them. > > But I'm about ready to start the move away from BlackBelt I think. > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From ggt667 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 06:00:38 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Fri Feb 6 06:00:41 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is located? Message-ID: Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is located? I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article about exporting repeating fields to CSV tia, ggt From rogerkiwi at mac.com Fri Feb 6 06:05:02 2009 From: rogerkiwi at mac.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Fri Feb 6 06:05:06 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: References: <020520092256.1275.498B6E8000036716000004FB220073583405029A0002080106@comcast.net> <5E2C4044-1009-4180-BBB0-21311B141997@bluecrocodile.co.nz> <03192945-DB4C-492E-8B8A-750CB36BE5D8@mac.com> Message-ID: On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > Black belt? Is that a grade in Karate? Well it is that... but BlackBelt is also a product that FMWebSchool developed that let existing CDML solutions run under FileMaker Server 8 and later, with very few modifications to the CDML. I don't understand entirely how it works, but I think very simplistically it's a bridge that takes the CDML requests from web pages and turn that into FX.php requests to FileMaker Server, gets the results and passes them back to the browser as CDML. Roger From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Fri Feb 6 06:34:25 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Fri Feb 6 06:34:36 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is located? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> I presume you mean Jonathan Stark, and the answer may be; http://www.jonathanstark.com/downloads.php Cheers Steve On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:00, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] > is located? > > I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article > about exporting repeating fields to CSV > > tia, > > ggt > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> References: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: Maybe, has he written books on FileMaker too? ggt 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > I presume you mean Jonathan Stark, and the answer may > be; http://www.jonathanstark.com/downloads.php > Cheers > Steve > On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:00, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is > located? > > I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article > about exporting repeating fields to CSV > > tia, > > ggt > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Fri Feb 6 08:14:37 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Fri Feb 6 08:14:44 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is located? In-Reply-To: References: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: Apparently: https://www.jonathanstark.com/book.php (did you even look at the website...?) On 6 Feb 2009, at 15:10, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > Maybe, has he written books on FileMaker too? > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >> I presume you mean Jonathan Stark, and the answer may >> be; http://www.jonathanstark.com/downloads.php >> Cheers >> Steve >> On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:00, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s| >> r] is >> located? >> >> I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article >> about exporting repeating fields to CSV >> >> tia, >> >> ggt >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: It's the wrong guy, I am looking for an article by this guy: http://www.legacyusa.net/Images/JStarssmall.jpg for exporting from repeating fields. ggt 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > > Apparently: https://www.jonathanstark.com/book.php (did you even look at the > website...?) > > On 6 Feb 2009, at 15:10, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > Maybe, has he written books on FileMaker too? > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > > I presume you mean Jonathan Stark, and the answer may > > be; http://www.jonathanstark.com/downloads.php > > Cheers > > Steve > > On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:00, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is > > located? > > I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article > > about exporting repeating fields to CSV > > tia, > > ggt > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From ggt667 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 08:27:32 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Fri Feb 6 08:27:37 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is located? In-Reply-To: References: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: But I am now at borderline for writing my own FX.php or pyFileMaker script to do the job ggt 2009/2/6 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > It's the wrong guy, I am looking for an article by this guy: > http://www.legacyusa.net/Images/JStarssmall.jpg > > for exporting from repeating fields. > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >> >> Apparently: https://www.jonathanstark.com/book.php (did you even look at the >> website...?) >> >> On 6 Feb 2009, at 15:10, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> Maybe, has he written books on FileMaker too? >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >> >> I presume you mean Jonathan Stark, and the answer may >> >> be; http://www.jonathanstark.com/downloads.php >> >> Cheers >> >> Steve >> >> On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:00, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is >> >> located? >> >> I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article >> >> about exporting repeating fields to CSV >> >> tia, >> >> ggt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > From bob at patin.com Fri Feb 6 08:29:18 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Fri Feb 6 08:29:24 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is located? In-Reply-To: References: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: <607C72C0-55EC-4D76-AD69-D9EC1656BD26@patin.com> That doesn't look like Jonathan Stark... unless he drastically changed his look! I saw him last summer at Devcon, and I don't remember him looking like that... BP Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > It's the wrong guy, I am looking for an article by this guy: > http://www.legacyusa.net/Images/JStarssmall.jpg > > for exporting from repeating fields. > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >> >> Apparently: https://www.jonathanstark.com/book.php (did you even >> look at the >> website...?) >> >> On 6 Feb 2009, at 15:10, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> Maybe, has he written books on FileMaker too? >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >> >> I presume you mean Jonathan Stark, and the answer may >> >> be; http://www.jonathanstark.com/downloads.php >> >> Cheers >> >> Steve >> >> On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:00, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s| >> r] is >> >> located? >> >> I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article >> >> about exporting repeating fields to CSV >> >> tia, >> >> ggt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From ggt667 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 08:33:00 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Fri Feb 6 08:33:06 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is located? In-Reply-To: <607C72C0-55EC-4D76-AD69-D9EC1656BD26@patin.com> References: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> <607C72C0-55EC-4D76-AD69-D9EC1656BD26@patin.com> Message-ID: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22jonathan+stars%22+export+%22repeating+fields%22 I have searched the web like crazy, and it's not Stark( The web guy ), but Stars( old style FileMaker ), but not found anything yet... That makes me asume I read the article in FileMaker Advisor, I have to go look in the paper or write my own thing-a-ma-gig ggt 2009/2/6 Bob Patin : > That doesn't look like Jonathan Stark... > > unless he drastically changed his look! > > I saw him last summer at Devcon, and I don't remember him looking like > that... > > BP > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > >> It's the wrong guy, I am looking for an article by this guy: >> http://www.legacyusa.net/Images/JStarssmall.jpg >> >> for exporting from repeating fields. >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >>> >>> Apparently: https://www.jonathanstark.com/book.php (did you even look at >>> the >>> website...?) >>> >>> On 6 Feb 2009, at 15:10, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >>> >>> Maybe, has he written books on FileMaker too? >>> >>> ggt >>> >>> 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >>> >>> I presume you mean Jonathan Stark, and the answer may >>> >>> be; http://www.jonathanstark.com/downloads.php >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:00, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >>> >>> Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is >>> >>> located? >>> >>> I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article >>> >>> about exporting repeating fields to CSV >>> >>> tia, >>> >>> ggt >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >>> Steve Winter >>> >>> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >>> >>> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >>> >>> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >>> >>> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >>> Steve Winter >>> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >>> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >>> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >>> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From jfunk at criticalsolution.com Fri Feb 6 08:38:53 2009 From: jfunk at criticalsolution.com (John Funk) Date: Fri Feb 6 08:38:56 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Monitoring FM Server 9/10 Advance In-Reply-To: <55D3C589-8925-44BB-A379-9839099E5E4D@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: Thanks Steve. I found out that my client wants the MYSQL type data collections where there is an actual table for server stats. I may end up building a PHP/MySql data collector and let his third party monitoring app read the tables. Thos IT guys are really a pain sometimes.... Thanks for the discussion. John Funk On 2/5/09 5:28 PM, "Steve Winter" wrote: > Hi John, > > Here's an example of what I do 'inline'... with the first db call that will be > made to any particular solution... > > Cheers > Steve > > $productQuery = new FX($serverIP, $serverPort, $dataSourceType); > $productQuery->SetDBUserPass($webUN, $webPW); > $productQuery->SetDBData("schedules", "productAreas"); > $productQuery->AddSortParam('productSortOrder', 'ascend'); > $productQuery->AddDBParam('productAreaDisplay','no','neq'); > $productData = $productQuery->FMFind(); > > if(isset($productData) && is_array($productData) && > isset($productData['data'])) { > > // do the regular stuff > > else { > $errorData = $productData; > include('assets/includes/errorReporter.php'); > } > > Then errorReporter.php says; > > > //display user message > echo '

An error has occured

' . > '

An error has occured conneecting to the host database. The site > administrator has been notified. Please try your query again at a later > time.

' . > '

We apologise for this inconvienience
The '.$siteName.' web > team

'; > > > > > > // send me an email > > require_once('assets/includes/phpMailer/mailer.php'); > $staffMailer = new Mailer(); > $staffMailer->Subject = $sitename.' site error'; > $staffMailer->FromName = $sitename; > $staffMailer->From = 'database@matatirosolutions.co.uk'; > $staffMailer->Body = '

The '.$sitename.' site is currently reporting an > error

>

The error data is '.showMe($errorData).'

; > $staffMailer->isHTML(true); > $staffMailer->AddAddress('steve@matatirosolutions.co.uk', 'Steve Winter'); > if(!$staffMailer->Send()) $mailError = 'error'; > $staffMailer->ClearAddresses(); > $staffMailer->ClearAttachments(); > > On 5 Feb 2009, at 23:16, John Funk wrote: > >> Thanks Steve, >> I will check the email on the server part. I do not know if this gives the >> detail my customer wants. I may end up reading the FMSA log files(s) >> A sample PHP script would be nice to see. >> Thanks again >> John >> >> >> On 2/5/09 5:03 PM, "Steve Winter" wrote: >> >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> FMS itself can send automated emails when it detects any issue with the >>> server situation... >>> >>> The other thing that I've done is to write a simple php script, which is >>> then run on a win2k3 server scheduled task every 5 min which attempts to do >>> a findAny() using fx on a series of database tables which should be >>> accessible... if it fails on any of those, then that PHP script sends me an >>> email with the name of the table in the message... I also have similar code >>> in all of the web solutions I develop such that if a user ever attempts to >>> connect to a db and that call fails then I get an email which tells me >>> that... >>> >>> All of the above email go into an account which my mobile phone also >>> monitors so that I get notification almost in real time by email and alert >>> on my mobile... >>> >>> Hope this helps... if you want code examples let me know... >>> >>> Cheers >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On 5 Feb 2009, at 22:56, criticalsolution@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Has anybody written or used any kind of script or app to monitor FMSA 9 or >>>> 10? My client wants a pro-acitive solution to tell tech support when there >>>> is trouble (or not) on an FMServer. I thought that there might be some ways >>>> to do this in FX/PHP? >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> John Funk >>>> Critical Solution >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve Winter >>> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >>> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >>> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >>> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > Steve Winter > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090206/bf7376e5/attachment.html From andersm at alamark.com Fri Feb 6 08:57:24 2009 From: andersm at alamark.com (Anders Monsen) Date: Fri Feb 6 08:57:27 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] Do you know where the article with sample codeby Jonathan Star[s|r] is located? In-Reply-To: References: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz><607C72C0-55EC-4D76-AD69-D9EC1656BD26@patin.com> Message-ID: <39F29F2B-33E8-4201-BD3C-B390F00E83A3@alamark.com> I found an article at Advisor by Stars (not Stark - two different people): *************** Convert Flat File Systems to Relational Databases This article shows a method for taking the data in repeating fields in a Contacts file and sending it to an external Phones file. Then Jonathan builds a portal that shows the data from the Phones file. And he sets the whole thing up so you can add an unlimited number of phone numbers for each record in your Contacts file. *************** Is this the one you mean? The article appeared in the April/May 2001 edition. Regards, Anders On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22jonathan+stars%22+export+%22repeating+fields%22 > > I have searched the web like crazy, and it's not Stark( The web guy ), > but Stars( old style FileMaker ), but not found anything yet... > > That makes me asume I read the article in FileMaker Advisor, I have to > go look in the paper or write my own thing-a-ma-gig > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Bob Patin : >> That doesn't look like Jonathan Stark... >> >> unless he drastically changed his look! >> >> I saw him last summer at Devcon, and I don't remember him looking >> like >> that... >> >> BP >> >> Bob Patin >> Longterm Solutions LLC >> bob@longtermsolutions.com >> 615-333-6858 >> http://www.longtermsolutions.com >> Twitter: bobpatin >> iChat/AIM: bobpatin >> FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >> Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet >> -------------------------- >> FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker >> PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? >> Consulting >> >> On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >>> It's the wrong guy, I am looking for an article by this guy: >>> http://www.legacyusa.net/Images/JStarssmall.jpg >>> >>> for exporting from repeating fields. >>> >>> ggt >>> >>> 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >>>> >>>> Apparently: https://www.jonathanstark.com/book.php (did you even >>>> look at >>>> the >>>> website...?) >>>> >>>> On 6 Feb 2009, at 15:10, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe, has he written books on FileMaker too? >>>> >>>> ggt >>>> >>>> 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >>>> >>>> I presume you mean Jonathan Stark, and the answer may >>>> >>>> be; http://www.jonathanstark.com/downloads.php >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:00, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >>>> >>>> Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s| >>>> r] is >>>> >>>> located? >>>> >>>> I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article >>>> >>>> about exporting repeating fields to CSV >>>> >>>> tia, >>>> >>>> ggt >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve Winter >>>> >>>> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >>>> >>>> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >>>> >>>> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >>>> >>>> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve Winter >>>> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >>>> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >>>> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >>>> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090206/1e252f9f/attachment-0001.html From ggt667 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 09:07:05 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Fri Feb 6 09:07:10 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] Do you know where the article with sample codeby Jonathan Star[s|r] is located? In-Reply-To: <39F29F2B-33E8-4201-BD3C-B390F00E83A3@alamark.com> References: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> <607C72C0-55EC-4D76-AD69-D9EC1656BD26@patin.com> <39F29F2B-33E8-4201-BD3C-B390F00E83A3@alamark.com> Message-ID: Yes, I would like to see if the method is as good as I remember the article to be ggt 2009/2/6 Anders Monsen : > I found an article at Advisor by Stars (not Stark - two different people): > *************** > Convert Flat File Systems to Relational Databases > This article shows a method for taking the data in repeating fields in a > Contacts file and sending it to an external Phones file. Then Jonathan > builds a portal that shows the data from the Phones file. And he sets the > whole thing up so you can add an unlimited number of phone numbers for each > record in your Contacts file. > *************** > Is this the one you mean? The article appeared in the April/May 2001 > edition. > Regards, > Anders > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22jonathan+stars%22+export+%22repeating+fields%22 > > I have searched the web like crazy, and it's not Stark( The web guy ), > but Stars( old style FileMaker ), but not found anything yet... > > That makes me asume I read the article in FileMaker Advisor, I have to > go look in the paper or write my own thing-a-ma-gig > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Bob Patin : > > That doesn't look like Jonathan Stark... > > unless he drastically changed his look! > > I saw him last summer at Devcon, and I don't remember him looking like > > that... > > BP > > Bob Patin > > Longterm Solutions LLC > > bob@longtermsolutions.com > > 615-333-6858 > > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > > Twitter: bobpatin > > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > > -------------------------- > > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > > PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > It's the wrong guy, I am looking for an article by this guy: > > http://www.legacyusa.net/Images/JStarssmall.jpg > > for exporting from repeating fields. > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > > Apparently: https://www.jonathanstark.com/book.php (did you even look at > > the > > website...?) > > On 6 Feb 2009, at 15:10, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > Maybe, has he written books on FileMaker too? > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : > > I presume you mean Jonathan Stark, and the answer may > > be; http://www.jonathanstark.com/downloads.php > > Cheers > > Steve > > On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:00, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is > > located? > > I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article > > about exporting repeating fields to CSV > > tia, > > ggt > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From ggt667 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 09:08:19 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Fri Feb 6 09:08:25 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] Do you know where the article with sample codeby Jonathan Star[s|r] is located? In-Reply-To: References: <8B1BE018-B35E-409A-9CBC-EB6196B1787C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> <607C72C0-55EC-4D76-AD69-D9EC1656BD26@patin.com> <39F29F2B-33E8-4201-BD3C-B390F00E83A3@alamark.com> Message-ID: I have solved the case by doing FMFindAll and doing some funny loops on the repeating fields for each index number and writing a CSV. ggt 2009/2/6 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > Yes, I would like to see if the method is as good as I remember the > article to be > > ggt > > 2009/2/6 Anders Monsen : >> I found an article at Advisor by Stars (not Stark - two different people): >> *************** >> Convert Flat File Systems to Relational Databases >> This article shows a method for taking the data in repeating fields in a >> Contacts file and sending it to an external Phones file. Then Jonathan >> builds a portal that shows the data from the Phones file. And he sets the >> whole thing up so you can add an unlimited number of phone numbers for each >> record in your Contacts file. >> *************** >> Is this the one you mean? The article appeared in the April/May 2001 >> edition. >> Regards, >> Anders >> >> On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22jonathan+stars%22+export+%22repeating+fields%22 >> >> I have searched the web like crazy, and it's not Stark( The web guy ), >> but Stars( old style FileMaker ), but not found anything yet... >> >> That makes me asume I read the article in FileMaker Advisor, I have to >> go look in the paper or write my own thing-a-ma-gig >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/6 Bob Patin : >> >> That doesn't look like Jonathan Stark... >> >> unless he drastically changed his look! >> >> I saw him last summer at Devcon, and I don't remember him looking like >> >> that... >> >> BP >> >> Bob Patin >> >> Longterm Solutions LLC >> >> bob@longtermsolutions.com >> >> 615-333-6858 >> >> http://www.longtermsolutions.com >> >> Twitter: bobpatin >> >> iChat/AIM: bobpatin >> >> FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >> >> Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet >> >> -------------------------- >> >> FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker >> >> PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting >> >> On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> It's the wrong guy, I am looking for an article by this guy: >> >> http://www.legacyusa.net/Images/JStarssmall.jpg >> >> for exporting from repeating fields. >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >> >> Apparently: https://www.jonathanstark.com/book.php (did you even look at >> >> the >> >> website...?) >> >> On 6 Feb 2009, at 15:10, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> Maybe, has he written books on FileMaker too? >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/6 Steve Winter : >> >> I presume you mean Jonathan Stark, and the answer may >> >> be; http://www.jonathanstark.com/downloads.php >> >> Cheers >> >> Steve >> >> On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:00, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> Do you know where the article with sample code by Jonathan Star[s|r] is >> >> located? >> >> I do not even know how to spell his name, just parts of the article >> >> about exporting repeating fields to CSV >> >> tia, >> >> ggt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> >> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >> >> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FX.php_List mailing list >> >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Mon Feb 9 08:38:37 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Mon Feb 9 08:38:39 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX and PHP Frameworks Message-ID: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> New to the list, new to FX and new to PHP! In years past I have done a fair amount of development with Lasso/FileMaker/MySQL so the overall process is not that foreign. When I was doing the Lasso work I had nice framework to develop with and have started investigating what is available for PHP. It looks like the two leading candidates (always open to debate!) are Cake PHP and Zend Framework. My basic question is how nicely does FX fit/play/incorporate in with established PHP frameworks such as these two? I guess the other related question would be if anyone is using any of the frameworks for PHP and what is their opinion of it. Thanks -- --Karstyn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090209/a3adc8b6/attachment.html From ggt667 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 09:57:07 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Mon Feb 9 09:57:11 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX and PHP Frameworks In-Reply-To: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: jQuery 2009/2/9 Karstyn McCoy : > New to the list, new to FX and new to PHP! > > In years past I have done a fair amount of development with > Lasso/FileMaker/MySQL so the overall process is not that foreign. When I was > doing the Lasso work I had nice framework to develop with and have started > investigating what is available for PHP. It looks like the two leading > candidates (always open to debate!) are Cake PHP and Zend Framework. > > My basic question is how nicely does FX fit/play/incorporate in with > established PHP frameworks such as these two? > > I guess the other related question would be if anyone is using any of the > frameworks for PHP and what is their opinion of it. > > Thanks > > -- > --Karstyn > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Mon Feb 9 11:26:04 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Mon Feb 9 11:26:08 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX and PHP Frameworks In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <898d01b70902091026l230289d7iebab4eb67fc1826c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Gjermund. Although I may be missing something about jQuery, it doesn't look like a PHP framework for building web sites but rather a javascript library. Am I missing something fundamental? --Karstyn On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > jQuery > > 2009/2/9 Karstyn McCoy : > > New to the list, new to FX and new to PHP! > > > > In years past I have done a fair amount of development with > > Lasso/FileMaker/MySQL so the overall process is not that foreign. When I > was > > doing the Lasso work I had nice framework to develop with and have > started > > investigating what is available for PHP. It looks like the two leading > > candidates (always open to debate!) are Cake PHP and Zend Framework. > > > > My basic question is how nicely does FX fit/play/incorporate in with > > established PHP frameworks such as these two? > > > > I guess the other related question would be if anyone is using any of the > > frameworks for PHP and what is their opinion of it. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > --Karstyn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > -- --Karstyn McCoy FileMaker 8/9 Certified The Support Group 400 So. El Camino Real #425 San Mateo, CA 94402 650 685-4300 x213 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090209/eaf2d98e/attachment.html From ggt667 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 15:37:04 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Mon Feb 9 15:37:07 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX and PHP Frameworks In-Reply-To: <898d01b70902091026l230289d7iebab4eb67fc1826c@mail.gmail.com> References: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902091026l230289d7iebab4eb67fc1826c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I assume it will give you more functionality then the two others you suggested. Only php thing I use apart from stuff I wrote myself is PEAR for mail. Which features are you looking for? ggt 2009/2/9 Karstyn McCoy : > Thanks Gjermund. > > Although I may be missing something about jQuery, it doesn't look like a PHP > framework for building web sites but rather a javascript library. Am I > missing something fundamental? > > --Karstyn > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen > wrote: >> >> jQuery >> >> 2009/2/9 Karstyn McCoy : >> > New to the list, new to FX and new to PHP! >> > >> > In years past I have done a fair amount of development with >> > Lasso/FileMaker/MySQL so the overall process is not that foreign. When I >> > was >> > doing the Lasso work I had nice framework to develop with and have >> > started >> > investigating what is available for PHP. It looks like the two leading >> > candidates (always open to debate!) are Cake PHP and Zend Framework. >> > >> > My basic question is how nicely does FX fit/play/incorporate in with >> > established PHP frameworks such as these two? >> > >> > I guess the other related question would be if anyone is using any of >> > the >> > frameworks for PHP and what is their opinion of it. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > -- >> > --Karstyn >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > FX.php_List mailing list >> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > -- > --Karstyn McCoy > FileMaker 8/9 Certified > The Support Group > 400 So. El Camino Real #425 > San Mateo, CA 94402 > 650 685-4300 x213 > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From jsfmp at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 15:57:21 2009 From: jsfmp at earthlink.net (Joel Shapiro) Date: Mon Feb 9 15:57:25 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX and PHP Frameworks In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902091026l230289d7iebab4eb67fc1826c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Karstyn Welcome to the list. I see you've already met ggt, who has helped in the development of FX.php, but whose posts here can be a bit, well, cryptic. (right ggt? ;-) You're right, jQuery is not a PHP framework. In addition to Cake and Zend, I've known of people using CodeIgniter. You can see an overview at: http://www.phpframeworks.com/ I don't use a framework in my coding so I can't recommend any. My understanding, though, is that you shouldn't have any difficulty incorporating FX calls into your framework code. Perhaps someome else here will chime in w/ their experiences. Best, -Joel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joel Shapiro FileMaker Pro database & web design http://www.jsfmp.com 415-269-5055 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > I assume it will give you more functionality then the two others > you suggested. > > Only php thing I use apart from stuff I wrote myself is PEAR for mail. > > Which features are you looking for? > > ggt > > 2009/2/9 Karstyn McCoy : >> Thanks Gjermund. >> >> Although I may be missing something about jQuery, it doesn't look >> like a PHP >> framework for building web sites but rather a javascript library. >> Am I >> missing something fundamental? >> >> --Karstyn >> >> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen >> >> wrote: >>> >>> jQuery >>> >>> 2009/2/9 Karstyn McCoy : >>>> New to the list, new to FX and new to PHP! >>>> >>>> In years past I have done a fair amount of development with >>>> Lasso/FileMaker/MySQL so the overall process is not that >>>> foreign. When I >>>> was >>>> doing the Lasso work I had nice framework to develop with and have >>>> started >>>> investigating what is available for PHP. It looks like the two >>>> leading >>>> candidates (always open to debate!) are Cake PHP and Zend >>>> Framework. >>>> >>>> My basic question is how nicely does FX fit/play/incorporate in >>>> with >>>> established PHP frameworks such as these two? >>>> >>>> I guess the other related question would be if anyone is using >>>> any of >>>> the >>>> frameworks for PHP and what is their opinion of it. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> -- >>>> --Karstyn >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> >> -- >> --Karstyn McCoy >> FileMaker 8/9 Certified >> The Support Group >> 400 So. El Camino Real #425 >> San Mateo, CA 94402 >> 650 685-4300 x213 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From ggt667 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 16:15:09 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:15:13 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX and PHP Frameworks In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902091026l230289d7iebab4eb67fc1826c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Cryptic, or on the form of keywords... ggt 2009/2/9 Joel Shapiro : > Hi Karstyn > > Welcome to the list. I see you've already met ggt, who has helped in the > development of FX.php, but whose posts here can be a bit, well, cryptic. > (right ggt? ;-) > > You're right, jQuery is not a PHP framework. > > In addition to Cake and Zend, I've known of people using CodeIgniter. You > can see an overview at: > http://www.phpframeworks.com/ > > I don't use a framework in my coding so I can't recommend any. My > understanding, though, is that you shouldn't have any difficulty > incorporating FX calls into your framework code. Perhaps someome else here > will chime in w/ their experiences. > > Best, > -Joel > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Joel Shapiro > FileMaker Pro > database & web design > http://www.jsfmp.com > 415-269-5055 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > >> I assume it will give you more functionality then the two others you >> suggested. >> >> Only php thing I use apart from stuff I wrote myself is PEAR for mail. >> >> Which features are you looking for? >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/9 Karstyn McCoy : >>> >>> Thanks Gjermund. >>> >>> Although I may be missing something about jQuery, it doesn't look like a >>> PHP >>> framework for building web sites but rather a javascript library. Am I >>> missing something fundamental? >>> >>> --Karstyn >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen >>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> jQuery >>>> >>>> 2009/2/9 Karstyn McCoy : >>>>> >>>>> New to the list, new to FX and new to PHP! >>>>> >>>>> In years past I have done a fair amount of development with >>>>> Lasso/FileMaker/MySQL so the overall process is not that foreign. When >>>>> I >>>>> was >>>>> doing the Lasso work I had nice framework to develop with and have >>>>> started >>>>> investigating what is available for PHP. It looks like the two leading >>>>> candidates (always open to debate!) are Cake PHP and Zend Framework. >>>>> >>>>> My basic question is how nicely does FX fit/play/incorporate in with >>>>> established PHP frameworks such as these two? >>>>> >>>>> I guess the other related question would be if anyone is using any of >>>>> the >>>>> frameworks for PHP and what is their opinion of it. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> --Karstyn >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> --Karstyn McCoy >>> FileMaker 8/9 Certified >>> The Support Group >>> 400 So. El Camino Real #425 >>> San Mateo, CA 94402 >>> 650 685-4300 x213 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From ggt667 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 16:18:50 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:18:53 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX and PHP Frameworks In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902091026l230289d7iebab4eb67fc1826c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I don't use a framework in my coding so I can't recommend any. My > understanding, though, is that you shouldn't have any difficulty > incorporating FX calls into your framework code. Perhaps someome else here > will chime in w/ their experiences. Sounds right, I do not see a problem with that unless some of the frameworks has a class named FX, but very often some frameworks add unnecessary overhead, first evaluate whether or not to use such a framework. ggt From jschwartz at exit445.com Mon Feb 9 16:26:17 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:27:03 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario Message-ID: Hi Folks, No, I haven't been hit by a truck. At least not yet. But that's the figurative worst case scenario that comes up from time to time in discussions with clients. The question is how clients retrieve their databases should an emergency need arise. I can think of one solution...aside from the normal "All Databases" backup , have a FMServer back up an additional copy to a folder dedicated to the customer. That folder can have ftp or AFP permissions to allow access. Does this make sense? Any other methods? Thanks J -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From tim at nicheit.com.au Mon Feb 9 16:39:04 2009 From: tim at nicheit.com.au (Tim 'Webko' Booth) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:39:12 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/02/2009, at 10:26 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Hi Folks, > > No, I haven't been hit by a truck. At least not yet. But that's > the figurative worst case scenario that comes up from time to time > in discussions with clients. > > The question is how clients retrieve their databases should an > emergency need arise. > > I can think of one solution...aside from the normal "All Databases" > backup , have a FMServer back up an additional copy to a folder > dedicated to the customer. That folder can have ftp or AFP > permissions to allow access. > > Does this make sense? Any other methods? I'm supposedly developing a system that allows our clients to login via the web, retrieve listings of their databases, make backups, download them, open them, close them add them etc... I should have a dev version done by the end of the week, but it basically relies on running FM Server Admin from the command line over the web (with some extra security to always make sure that login can play with this database etc...) Cheers Webko From jschwartz at exit445.com Mon Feb 9 16:49:20 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:50:35 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds interesting. Do you intend to offer it? I'll be sure to look both ways while crossing the street...at least for a while more. ;-) J At 10:39 AM +1100 2/10/09, Tim 'Webko' Booth wrote: >On 10/02/2009, at 10:26 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > >>Hi Folks, >> >>No, I haven't been hit by a truck. At least not yet. But that's >>the figurative worst case scenario that comes up from time to time >>in discussions with clients. >> >>The question is how clients retrieve their databases should an >>emergency need arise. >> >>I can think of one solution...aside from the normal "All Databases" >>backup , have a FMServer back up an additional copy to a folder >>dedicated to the customer. That folder can have ftp or AFP >>permissions to allow access. >> >>Does this make sense? Any other methods? > >I'm supposedly developing a system that allows our clients to login >via the web, retrieve listings of their databases, make backups, >download them, open them, close them add them etc... > >I should have a dev version done by the end of the week, but it >basically relies on running FM Server Admin from the command line >over the web (with some extra security to always make sure that >login can play with this database etc...) > >Cheers > >Webko >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From bob at patin.com Mon Feb 9 16:50:40 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:50:50 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <308DA2EC-B88E-41DB-9C7E-94370BCDEFB7@patin.com> Tim, Please tell me it's either cross-platform or Mac-based... :) I'd love to have something like that for my clients. Best, Bob Patin Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:39 PM, Tim 'Webko' Booth wrote: > > On 10/02/2009, at 10:26 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> No, I haven't been hit by a truck. At least not yet. But that's >> the figurative worst case scenario that comes up from time to time >> in discussions with clients. >> >> The question is how clients retrieve their databases should an >> emergency need arise. >> >> I can think of one solution...aside from the normal "All Databases" >> backup , have a FMServer back up an additional copy to a folder >> dedicated to the customer. That folder can have ftp or AFP >> permissions to allow access. >> >> Does this make sense? Any other methods? > > I'm supposedly developing a system that allows our clients to login > via the web, retrieve listings of their databases, make backups, > download them, open them, close them add them etc... > > I should have a dev version done by the end of the week, but it > basically relies on running FM Server Admin from the command line > over the web (with some extra security to always make sure that > login can play with this database etc...) > > Cheers > > Webko > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Mon Feb 9 16:50:49 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:50:55 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX and PHP Frameworks In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902091026l230289d7iebab4eb67fc1826c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <898d01b70902091550y7bf059e0x8671b574fa939cd5@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Joel and Gjermund. I may not end up using a framework, but use of one was helpful in the past. Unfortunately, as I'm starting out there may be a habit of trying to frame PHP in the way I was used to using Lasso - detriment? - don't enough to say yet. But the main question was answered - FX should not have a problem being incorporated in a framework. It was not worth spending any time at all even looking if FX could not be play along. I hope to get more time to use both PHP and FX - I'm sure I'll be posting more questions as time goes along, but I'll always try going through the archives first! Thanks all --Karstyn On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > I don't use a framework in my coding so I can't recommend any. My > > understanding, though, is that you shouldn't have any difficulty > > incorporating FX calls into your framework code. Perhaps someome else > here > > will chime in w/ their experiences. > Sounds right, I do not see a problem with that unless some of the > frameworks has a class named FX, > but very often some frameworks add unnecessary overhead, > first evaluate whether or not to use such a framework. > > ggt > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090209/219732e1/attachment-0001.html From bob at patin.com Mon Feb 9 16:53:17 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:53:23 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jonathan, Glad to know you haven't been hit by a truck; the world needs you! I do exactly what you describe: in addition to an hourly backup of all the databases on my servers (this backup uses system scripts to backup to 3 hard drives each time), I also set up a separate backup folder for clients who request it. They can FTP into it, upload replacement databases, or download nightly backups that are written to that same folder. Some clients like the ability to download backups whenever they want, even though I'm already backing up constantly. It's still on the same drive with FMS though; the normal backups though are going to 3 drives, 2 of which are not the system drive, and 1 of which is on a separate machine. The ideal would be if the 3rd drive were in a machine in a different physical location, but we can't have everything... :) Best, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Hi Folks, > > No, I haven't been hit by a truck. At least not yet. But that's > the figurative worst case scenario that comes up from time to time > in discussions with clients. > > The question is how clients retrieve their databases should an > emergency need arise. > > I can think of one solution...aside from the normal "All Databases" > backup , have a FMServer back up an additional copy to a folder > dedicated to the customer. That folder can have ftp or AFP > permissions to allow access. > > Does this make sense? Any other methods? > > Thanks > > J > > -- > Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > jonathan@exit445.com > http://www.exit445.com > 415-370-5011 > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From brynley at xtra.co.nz Mon Feb 9 16:35:59 2009 From: brynley at xtra.co.nz (Brynley Blake) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:53:30 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario References: Message-ID: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> I am a habitual lurker... This came up for me in regards computer data in general - after much discussion (on other forums and interweb) the only real way is to (a) have an associate who you entrust with all your top secret login/passwords along with instructions on how to pass the clients data back to them, or (b) have a lawyer hold that information again along with instructions on what to do with that information. Several parties said "lawyer in a different geographical area" as an independent party as opposed to a colleague in the same town. If it is a colleague in a similar field then you could "swap" - if he comes undone then you step in - if you come undone they step in. But the final part of the puzzle is writing docs detailing what to do with that data - given the case that if you got hit by a truck and the lawyer (or friend) sent your customer a CD then what happens then...will they know how to carry on or will they know who to give it to to modify/restore from? Just 2c from a lurker. :) Brynley ________________________________ From: Jonathan Schwartz To: fx.php_list@mail.iviking.org Sent: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 12:26:17 PM Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario Hi Folks, No, I haven't been hit by a truck. At least not yet. But that's the figurative worst case scenario that comes up from time to time in discussions with clients. The question is how clients retrieve their databases should an emergency need arise. I can think of one solution...aside from the normal "All Databases" backup , have a FMServer back up an additional copy to a folder dedicated to the customer. That folder can have ftp or AFP permissions to allow access. Does this make sense? Any other methods? Thanks J -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 _______________________________________________ FX.php_List mailing list FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090210/bba57f4f/attachment.html From bob at patin.com Mon Feb 9 16:54:36 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:54:41 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9232E762-3E40-4896-A9D4-98251B8BB88F@patin.com> On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Sounds interesting. Do you intend to offer it? I'll be sure to look > both ways while crossing the street...at least for a while more. ;-) Especially if you go to London; I was told that lots of American tourists get hit by cars in the UK because they tend to look left for traffic, instead of right. I, on the other hand, fooled them all, and closed my eyes when I crossed the streets. Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting From bob at patin.com Mon Feb 9 16:58:11 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:58:18 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario In-Reply-To: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good points Brynley--you're officially a non-lurker now that you've revealed your presence! I have a best friend who has the only password to all my servers and client data; I trust him with everything I have; in fact, he's in my will and would be the executor of my will, should he outlive me. I've given him instructions on how to go to a file that I have locked up, that gives instructions on contacting clients, etc., should that errant bus run me down. I've had more than one prospective client ask me that question; I don't tell them the truth, which is that I have super powers. Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Brynley Blake wrote: > I am a habitual lurker... > > This came up for me in regards computer data in general - after much > discussion (on other forums and interweb) the only real way is to > (a) have an associate who you entrust with all your top secret login/ > passwords along with instructions on how to pass the clients data > back to them, or (b) have a lawyer hold that information again along > with instructions on what to do with that information. > > Several parties said "lawyer in a different geographical area" as an > independent party as opposed to a colleague in the same town. If it > is a colleague in a similar field then you could "swap" - if he > comes undone then you step in - if you come undone they step in. > > But the final part of the puzzle is writing docs detailing what to > do with that data - given the case that if you got hit by a truck > and the lawyer (or friend) sent your customer a CD then what happens > then...will they know how to carry on or will they know who to give > it to to modify/restore from? > > Just 2c from a lurker. > > :) > > Brynley > > > From: Jonathan Schwartz > To: fx.php_list@mail.iviking.org > Sent: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 12:26:17 PM > Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario > > Hi Folks, > > No, I haven't been hit by a truck. At least not yet. But that's > the figurative worst case scenario that comes up from time to time > in discussions with clients. > > The question is how clients retrieve their databases should an > emergency need arise. > > I can think of one solution...aside from the normal "All Databases" > backup , have a FMServer back up an additional copy to a folder > dedicated to the customer. That folder can have ftp or AFP > permissions to allow access. > > Does this make sense? Any other methods? > > Thanks > > J > > -- Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > jonathan@exit445.com > http://www.exit445.com > 415-370-5011 > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090209/46aa564d/attachment.html From tim at nicheit.com.au Mon Feb 9 16:59:59 2009 From: tim at nicheit.com.au (Tim 'Webko' Booth) Date: Mon Feb 9 17:00:07 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/02/2009, at 10:49 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Sounds interesting. Do you intend to offer it? I'll be sure to look > both ways while crossing the street...at least for a while more. ;-) Yeah, there's nothing too top secret about it... It's web-based for the users, but my main servers are Macs, so the underlying shell scripting is Mac/Unix based - for a lot of the stuff, it shouldn't make a great deal of difference but I'm not likely to build a PC/IIS version any time soon for some of the more advanced bits n pieces. And it will be a work in progress for some time to come - this will definitely be semi-beta but working - there's some kludgy but effective code in there that should be neatened up in due course ;-) Cheers Webko From tim at nicheit.com.au Mon Feb 9 17:02:06 2009 From: tim at nicheit.com.au (Tim 'Webko' Booth) Date: Mon Feb 9 17:02:11 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario In-Reply-To: References: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19D7BC22-140E-4E73-A1CB-ECA46CDB822A@nicheit.com.au> On 10/02/2009, at 10:58 AM, Bob Patin wrote: > Good points Brynley--you're officially a non-lurker now that you've > revealed your presence! > > I have a best friend who has the only password to all my servers and > client data; I trust him with everything I have; in fact, he's in my > will and would be the executor of my will, should he outlive me. > I've given him instructions on how to go to a file that I have > locked up, that gives instructions on contacting clients, etc., > should that errant bus run me down. > > I've had more than one prospective client ask me that question; I > don't tell them the truth, which is that I have super powers. This why having a multi-person company is good - myself and Andrew know all the passwords that matter. Exactly how the company would continue without him, I'm not too sure, but in the short term all our clients would be able to be looked after, no matter what system they're running. Cheers Webko From jschwartz at exit445.com Mon Feb 9 18:47:51 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Mon Feb 9 18:50:45 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario In-Reply-To: References: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a great profession for people who crave to feel needed. J At 5:58 PM -0600 2/9/09, Bob Patin wrote: >Good points Brynley--you're officially a non-lurker now that you've >revealed your presence! > >I have a best friend who has the only password to all my servers and >client data; I trust him with everything I have; in fact, he's in my >will and would be the executor of my will, should he outlive me. >I've given him instructions on how to go to a file that I have >locked up, that gives instructions on contacting clients, etc., >should that errant bus run me down. > >I've had more than one prospective client ask me that question; I >don't tell them the truth, which is that I have super powers. > >Bob Patin >Longterm Solutions LLC >bob@longtermsolutions.com >615-333-6858 >http://www.longtermsolutions.com >Twitter: bobpatin >iChat/AIM: bobpatin >FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet >-------------------------- >FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker >PHP * Full email services * Free DNS hosting * Colocation * Consulting > >On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Brynley Blake wrote: > >>I am a habitual lurker... >> >>This came up for me in regards computer data in general - after >>much discussion (on other forums and interweb) the only real way is >>to (a) have an associate who you entrust with all your top secret >>login/passwords along with instructions on how to pass the clients >>data back to them, or (b) have a lawyer hold that information again >>along with instructions on what to do with that information. >> >>Several parties said "lawyer in a different geographical area" as >>an independent party as opposed to a colleague in the same town. If >>it is a colleague in a similar field then you could "swap" - if he >>comes undone then you step in - if you come undone they step in. >> >>But the final part of the puzzle is writing docs detailing what to >>do with that data - given the case that if you got hit by a truck >>and the lawyer (or friend) sent your customer a CD then what >>happens then...will they know how to carry on or will they know who >>to give it to to modify/restore from? >> >>Just 2c from a lurker. >> >>:) >> >>Brynley >> >> >> >>From: Jonathan Schwartz <jschwartz@exit445.com> >>To: fx.php_list@mail.iviking.org >>Sent: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 12:26:17 PM >>Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario >> >>Hi Folks, >> >>No, I haven't been hit by a truck. At least not yet. But that's >>the figurative worst case scenario that comes up from time to time >>in discussions with clients. >> >>The question is how clients retrieve their databases should an >>emergency need arise. >> >>I can think of one solution...aside from the normal "All Databases" >>backup , have a FMServer back up an additional copy to a folder >>dedicated to the customer. That folder can have ftp or AFP >>permissions to allow access. >> >>Does this make sense? Any other methods? >> >>Thanks >> >>J >> >>-- Jonathan Schwartz >>Exit 445 Group >>jonathan@exit445.com >>http://www.exit445.com >>415-370-5011 >>_______________________________________________ >>FX.php_List mailing list >>FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >>_______________________________________________ >>FX.php_List mailing list >>FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090209/2114e379/attachment.html From bob at patin.com Mon Feb 9 19:03:01 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Mon Feb 9 19:03:08 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario In-Reply-To: References: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ...and we need you Jonathan! :) Best, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat: bobpatin AIM: longterm1954 FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & FileMaker TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker Web hosting ? PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 9, 2009, at 7:47 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > This is a great profession for people who crave to feel needed. > > J > > At 5:58 PM -0600 2/9/09, Bob Patin wrote: >> Good points Brynley--you're officially a non-lurker now that you've >> revealed your presence! >> >> I have a best friend who has the only password to all my servers >> and client data; I trust him with everything I have; in fact, he's >> in my will and would be the executor of my will, should he outlive >> me. I've given him instructions on how to go to a file that I have >> locked up, that gives instructions on contacting clients, etc., >> should that errant bus run me down. >> >> I've had more than one prospective client ask me that question; I >> don't tell them the truth, which is that I have super powers. >> >> Bob Patin >> Longterm Solutions LLC >> bob@longtermsolutions.com >> 615-333-6858 >> http://www.longtermsolutions.com >> Twitter: bobpatin >> iChat/AIM: bobpatin >> FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >> Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet >> -------------------------- >> FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker >> PHP * Full email services * Free DNS hosting * Colocation * >> Consulting >> >> On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Brynley Blake wrote: >> >>> I am a habitual lurker... >>> >>> This came up for me in regards computer data in general - after >>> much discussion (on other forums and interweb) the only real way >>> is to (a) have an associate who you entrust with all your top >>> secret login/passwords along with instructions on how to pass the >>> clients data back to them, or (b) have a lawyer hold that >>> information again along with instructions on what to do with that >>> information. >>> >>> Several parties said "lawyer in a different geographical area" as >>> an independent party as opposed to a colleague in the same town. >>> If it is a colleague in a similar field then you could "swap" - if >>> he comes undone then you step in - if you come undone they step in. >>> >>> But the final part of the puzzle is writing docs detailing what to >>> do with that data - given the case that if you got hit by a truck >>> and the lawyer (or friend) sent your customer a CD then what >>> happens then...will they know how to carry on or will they know >>> who to give it to to modify/restore from? >>> >>> Just 2c from a lurker. >>> >>> :) >>> >>> Brynley >>> >>> From: Jonathan Schwartz >>> To: fx.php_list@mail.iviking.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 12:26:17 PM >>> Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Hit by a Truck Scenario >>> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> No, I haven't been hit by a truck. At least not yet. But that's >>> the figurative worst case scenario that comes up from time to time >>> in discussions with clients. >>> >>> The question is how clients retrieve their databases should an >>> emergency need arise. >>> >>> I can think of one solution...aside from the normal "All >>> Databases" backup , have a FMServer back up an additional copy to >>> a folder dedicated to the customer. That folder can have ftp or >>> AFP permissions to allow access. >>> >>> Does this make sense? Any other methods? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> J >>> >>> -- Jonathan Schwartz >>> Exit 445 Group >>> jonathan@exit445.com >>> http://www.exit445.com >>> 415-370-5011 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > -- > Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > jonathan@exit445.com > http://www.exit445.com > 415-370-5011 > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090210/8413edf9/attachment.html From ggt667 at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 07:53:13 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Tue Feb 10 07:53:15 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Lurkers unite. In-Reply-To: <861091.21666.qm@web96012.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <861091.21666.qm@web96012.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmm, FMWebSchool always confused me... But they supposedly made nice documentation... ggt 2009/2/10 Brynley Blake : > I looked into FX PHP ages ago and never got my head around it sadly and am > now doing development direct in FM. But I have stayed on this mailing list > as I found some intelligent ideas being bandied around from time to time. > > Certainly the "signal to noise" ratio is more SIGNAL then NOISE! Which is a > good thing. > > I did get FMWebSchools stuff (all of it!) and that did not help - it > certainly seems that FX.PHP has a strong encouraging community! > > :) > > Respect. > > Brynley > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 10 08:38:50 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 10 08:38:56 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Lurkers unite. In-Reply-To: <861091.21666.qm@web96012.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <861091.21666.qm@web96012.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <645E4617-4922-4A15-9E12-F6273525F279@patin.com> Brynley, I'm a firm believer that the way to do sites is not to rely on a tool like FMWebSchool's but to learn how to do things from the ground up; you have total control of how your site works, you can fix anything that comes up... You'll find lots of help here on the FX list; Chris Hansen, who wrote FX, pops in here from time to time just to keep us straight... doesn't help, but he tries... :) Best, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Brynley Blake wrote: > I looked into FX PHP ages ago and never got my head around it sadly > and am now doing development direct in FM. But I have stayed on this > mailing list as I found some intelligent ideas being bandied around > from time to time. > > Certainly the "signal to noise" ratio is more SIGNAL then NOISE! > Which is a good thing. > > I did get FMWebSchools stuff (all of it!) and that did not help - it > certainly seems that FX.PHP has a strong encouraging community! > > :) > > Respect. > > Brynley > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090210/6330e5a0/attachment.html From chris at iViking.org Tue Feb 10 10:34:46 2009 From: chris at iViking.org (Chris Hansen) Date: Tue Feb 10 10:34:51 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Lurkers unite. In-Reply-To: <645E4617-4922-4A15-9E12-F6273525F279@patin.com> References: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <861091.21666.qm@web96012.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <645E4617-4922-4A15-9E12-F6273525F279@patin.com> Message-ID: ROFL I'm seriously impressed with the quality of the content and help that's generally found on the list. Thanks all. And on a real upside, it's generally a lot quicker to post a question here, than to wait for me; that's not to say that it should never be attempted, but my inbox runneth over... :-p --Chris Hansen FileMaker 7/8/9 Certified Developer Creator of FX.php "The best way from FileMaker to the Web." www.iViking.org On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Bob Patin wrote: > Brynley, > > I'm a firm believer that the way to do sites is not to rely on a > tool like FMWebSchool's but to learn how to do things from the > ground up; you have total control of how your site works, you can > fix anything that comes up... > > You'll find lots of help here on the FX list; Chris Hansen, who > wrote FX, pops in here from time to time just to keep us straight... > doesn't help, but he tries... :) > > Best, > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting > > On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Brynley Blake wrote: > >> I looked into FX PHP ages ago and never got my head around it sadly >> and am now doing development direct in FM. But I have stayed on >> this mailing list as I found some intelligent ideas being bandied >> around from time to time. >> >> Certainly the "signal to noise" ratio is more SIGNAL then NOISE! >> Which is a good thing. >> >> I did get FMWebSchools stuff (all of it!) and that did not help - >> it certainly seems that FX.PHP has a strong encouraging community! >> >> :) >> >> Respect. >> >> Brynley >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From jschwartz at exit445.com Tue Feb 10 10:50:43 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Tue Feb 10 10:51:00 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Lurkers unite. In-Reply-To: <645E4617-4922-4A15-9E12-F6273525F279@patin.com> References: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <861091.21666.qm@web96012.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <645E4617-4922-4A15-9E12-F6273525F279@patin.com> Message-ID: Ditto on the FMWebSchool FMStudio approach, as well as the PHP Assistant. (Sorry Stephen and FMI). These tools might get you started, but very rapidly run out out of usefulness when real life pages need to be created...ones with features that aren't offered in the tools. Another benefit (does this sound like a sales pitch yet?).. folks on this list are dedicated to fx.php, but also FM CWP in general. We often post questions that deal with CWP but off of fx.php....even the API. ;-) And as far as noise level is concerned...we try to keep Bob under control. ;-) J At 9:38 AM -0600 2/10/09, Bob Patin wrote: >Brynley, > >I'm a firm believer that the way to do sites is not to rely on a >tool like FMWebSchool's but to learn how to do things from the >ground up; you have total control of how your site works, you can >fix anything that comes up... > >You'll find lots of help here on the FX list; Chris Hansen, who >wrote FX, pops in here from time to time just to keep us straight... >doesn't help, but he tries... :) > >Best, > >Bob Patin >Longterm Solutions LLC >bob@longtermsolutions.com >615-333-6858 >http://www.longtermsolutions.com >Twitter: bobpatin >iChat/AIM: bobpatin >FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet >-------------------------- >FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker >PHP * Full email services * Free DNS hosting * Colocation * Consulting > >On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Brynley Blake wrote: > >>I looked into FX PHP ages ago and never got my head around it sadly >>and am now doing development direct in FM. But I have stayed on >>this mailing list as I found some intelligent ideas being bandied >>around from time to time. >> >>Certainly the "signal to noise" ratio is more SIGNAL then NOISE! >>Which is a good thing. >> >>I did get FMWebSchools stuff (all of it!) and that did not help - >>it certainly seems that FX.PHP has a strong encouraging community! >> >>:) >> >>Respect. >> >>Brynley >> >>_______________________________________________ >>FX.php_List mailing list >>FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090210/da61d926/attachment.html From jfunk at criticalsolution.com Tue Feb 10 11:03:22 2009 From: jfunk at criticalsolution.com (John Funk) Date: Tue Feb 10 11:03:34 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup Message-ID: I am setting up a economical fm/web server for my client. I have been trying to get an old Dell Windows 2000 server set up for FM Server 8 advance and iis to host FM files and FX/PHP. Among some other headaches was the PHP install. I am not novice when it comes to PCs, servers, Macs etc. and this process was the most frustrating setup I have ever come across. I gave up. I am going to buy a used Mac to host Apache FX/ PHP and FMSA. I know there is a min configuration for FMSA but is there a min config for Apache / PHP on OSx? There will be only a hand full of users logged on from FM Clients and 1 or 2 web clients. Any 2 cents is appreciated. Thanks, John Funk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090210/45c74cbc/attachment-0001.html From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 10 11:05:05 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 10 11:05:11 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Lurkers unite. In-Reply-To: References: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <861091.21666.qm@web96012.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <645E4617-4922-4A15-9E12-F6273525F279@patin.com> Message-ID: <8C7B5F3F-7E27-4C08-86C4-7D471D3F2421@patin.com> Good luck with that... :) Noise is my middle name. On Feb 10, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > And as far as noise level is concerned...we try to keep Bob under > control. ;-) > > J From ggt667 at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 11:06:40 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Tue Feb 10 11:06:44 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Lurkers unite. In-Reply-To: References: <434127.47812.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <861091.21666.qm@web96012.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <645E4617-4922-4A15-9E12-F6273525F279@patin.com> Message-ID: Well we are pretty liberal, and try to keep to FM XML interface without promoting any commercial use, with the aim to make a knowledge base for developers of FileMaker and XML emphasing FX.php ggt 2009/2/10, Jonathan Schwartz : > > > Ditto on the FMWebSchool FMStudio approach, as well as the PHP Assistant. > (Sorry Stephen and FMI). These tools might get you started, but very rapidly > run out out of usefulness when real life pages need to be created...ones > with features that aren't offered in the tools. > > > Another benefit (does this sound like a sales pitch yet?).. folks on this > list are dedicated to fx.php, but also FM CWP in general. We often post > questions that deal with CWP but off of fx.php....even the API. ;-) > > > And as far as noise level is concerned...we try to keep Bob under control. > ;-) > > > J > > > > > > > > At 9:38 AM -0600 2/10/09, Bob Patin wrote: > Brynley, > > > I'm a firm believer that the way to do sites is not to rely on a tool like > FMWebSchool's but to learn how to do things from the ground up; you have > total control of how your site works, you can fix anything that comes up... > > > You'll find lots of help here on the FX list; Chris Hansen, who wrote FX, > pops in here from time to time just to keep us straight... doesn't help, but > he tries... :) > > > Best, > > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > PHP * Full email services * Free DNS hosting * Colocation * Consulting > > > On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Brynley Blake wrote: > > > I looked into FX PHP ages ago and never got my head around it sadly and am > now doing development direct in FM. But I have stayed on this mailing list > as I found some intelligent ideas being bandied around from time to time. > > Certainly the "signal to noise" ratio is more SIGNAL then NOISE! Which is a > good thing. > > I did get FMWebSchools stuff (all of it!) and that did not help - it > certainly seems that FX.PHP has a strong encouraging community! > > :) > > Respect. > > Brynley > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > jonathan@exit445.com > http://www.exit445.com > 415-370-5011 > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 10 11:11:03 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 10 11:11:08 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92E1B172-0B9B-4F6B-81FC-7174FF396546@patin.com> John, My advice is to get on eBay and look for a used G5 2Ghz dual Xserve, which you can usually find on there for somewhere around $700. If that's a little steep, you can also find used dual-2.0Ghz G5 towers for a little less than that. These Xserves work great and are generally good deals; one thing to consider, with a caveat: you'll see tons of cluster-node Xserves on there. These are even cheaper; you can find a cluster-node G5 dual-2.0Ghz for $400-500 most days, but here's the caveat: they don't have a video card or a CD drive, so you have to have another Xserve to use to configure the hard drive. I bought some cluster-nodes, but I also have regular Xserves, so I use a normal Xserve to configure a new system drive, then I transfer it to the cluster-node. You can also find used Macs at Mac of All Trades; in fact, I see that they have a G5 dual 2.0 right now for $699: http://www.macofalltrades.com/Apple_G5_2_0GHz_Dual_Processor_2_0_160GB_p/g520dp3.htm Hope this helps; best, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 10, 2009, at 12:03 PM, John Funk wrote: > I am setting up a economical fm/web server for my client. > > I have been trying to get an old Dell Windows 2000 server set up for > FM Server 8 advance and iis to host FM files and FX/PHP. Among some > other headaches was the PHP install. I am not novice when it comes > to PCs, servers, Macs etc. and this process was the most frustrating > setup I have ever come across. > I gave up. > > I am going to buy a used Mac to host Apache FX/ PHP and FMSA. I know > there is a min configuration for FMSA but is there a min config for > Apache / PHP on OSx? There will be only a hand full of users logged > on from FM Clients and 1 or 2 web clients. > Any 2 cents is appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090210/dbfac147/attachment.html From hank at atlasinnovation.com Tue Feb 10 11:11:08 2009 From: hank at atlasinnovation.com (Hank Shrier) Date: Tue Feb 10 11:11:39 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you considered having someone else host the files? It may be more cost effective. It will certainly be far less frustrating. Hank Shrier From: fx.php_list-bounces@mail.iviking.org [mailto:fx.php_list-bounces@mail.iviking.org] On Behalf Of John Funk Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:03 PM To: FX.php Discussion List Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup I am setting up a economical fm/web server for my client. I have been trying to get an old Dell Windows 2000 server set up for FM Server 8 advance and iis to host FM files and FX/PHP. Among some other headaches was the PHP install. I am not novice when it comes to PCs, servers, Macs etc. and this process was the most frustrating setup I have ever come across. I gave up. I am going to buy a used Mac to host Apache FX/ PHP and FMSA. I know there is a min configuration for FMSA but is there a min config for Apache / PHP on OSx? There will be only a hand full of users logged on from FM Clients and 1 or 2 web clients. Any 2 cents is appreciated. Thanks, John Funk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They work great. I've used them since FileMaker Server 8, but we are currently on 9, and are testing 10 on a spare. -Troy > I am setting up a economical fm/web server for my client. > > I have been trying to get an old Dell Windows 2000 server set up for FM > Server 8 advance and iis to host FM files and FX/PHP. Among some other > headaches was the PHP install. I am not novice when it comes to PCs, > servers, Macs etc. and this process was the most frustrating setup I > have ever come across. > > I gave up. > > I am going to buy a used Mac to host Apache FX/ PHP and FMSA. I know > there is a min configuration for FMSA but is there a min config for > Apache / PHP on OSx? There will be only a hand full of users logged on > from FM Clients and 1 or 2 web clients. > > Any 2 cents is appreciated. > > Thanks, > > John Funk From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 10 11:36:12 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 10 11:36:19 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: <09A89018.B0F9.45BA.B355.0D5A76773932@102.927948> References: <09A89018.B0F9.45BA.B355.0D5A76773932@102.927948> Message-ID: <52C95AAB-205D-4B50-83CA-F55AA44299DA@patin.com> While I agree with Troy and used some Mac Minis for a short while, I have to caution against using a consumer-grade machine for running company business. My biggest concerns are the disk speed (4500 RPM) and heat; I know that Mac Minis are designed so that they dissipate heat, but they're not meant to be used the way that a machine is used when it's doing database calls all day. Granted, I've got 6 Mac Minis and have only one that has ever caused trouble, but balanced against (at one time) 40 Mac servers and one hardware failure out of 40 machines, and then 6 Mac Minis and one hardware failure... I know that's anecdotal evidence, and I also know that a lot of people use Mac Minis for servers (so much so that there's a company that specializes in hosting Mac Minis) but the question in my mind is: Do you want to run a company's business on a machine that was designed to do home computer tasks, or do you want to rely on a machine that is set up to run 24/7? My 2 bits... :) Best, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 10, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Troy Meyers wrote: > John, > > This may only be worth 2 cents. > > I like Mac Minis. Others may say they are unreliable, but I think > that was an issue with the hard drive in early models, and I haven't > experienced that at all, and they are so inexpensive new that a used > machine is only a bit cheaper. For quite a while we used one Mini as > the FM server, WPE, and Apache machine. We are currently using two > of them, one as the FM server (advanced) and the other as the WPE > +Apache. We doubled because our site is getting much more popular. > Both are 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duos with 1 GB RAM. Neither have MacOS X > Server -- nope, they are just consumer machines running Leopard. > They work great. I've used them since FileMaker Server 8, but we are > currently on 9, and are testing 10 on a spare. > > -Troy > >> I am setting up a economical fm/web server for my client. >> >> I have been trying to get an old Dell Windows 2000 server set up >> for FM >> Server 8 advance and iis to host FM files and FX/PHP. Among some >> other >> headaches was the PHP install. I am not novice when it comes to PCs, >> servers, Macs etc. and this process was the most frustrating setup I >> have ever come across. >> >> I gave up. >> >> I am going to buy a used Mac to host Apache FX/ PHP and FMSA. I know >> there is a min configuration for FMSA but is there a min config for >> Apache / PHP on OSx? There will be only a hand full of users logged >> on >> from FM Clients and 1 or 2 web clients. >> >> Any 2 cents is appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John Funk > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From jfunk at criticalsolution.com Tue Feb 10 11:52:02 2009 From: jfunk at criticalsolution.com (John Funk) Date: Tue Feb 10 11:52:19 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: <09A89018.B0F9.45BA.B355.0D5A76773932@102.927948> Message-ID: Good to know "make it simple stupid" still prevails. For this customer they do not want to host outside of their building, it is a service only used inside the building. (for now) This is my way of getting their "buy in" to FM/PHP/FX and build from there. I will probably go with the g5 for now with non server OS. Thanks for the 50 cents. John On 2/10/09 12:16 PM, "Troy Meyers" wrote: > John, > > This may only be worth 2 cents. > > I like Mac Minis. Others may say they are unreliable, but I think that was an > issue with the hard drive in early models, and I haven't experienced that at > all, and they are so inexpensive new that a used machine is only a bit > cheaper. For quite a while we used one Mini as the FM server, WPE, and Apache > machine. We are currently using two of them, one as the FM server (advanced) > and the other as the WPE+Apache. We doubled because our site is getting much > more popular. Both are 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duos with 1 GB RAM. Neither have > MacOS X Server -- nope, they are just consumer machines running Leopard. They > work great. I've used them since FileMaker Server 8, but we are currently on > 9, and are testing 10 on a spare. > > -Troy > >> I am setting up a economical fm/web server for my client. >> >> I have been trying to get an old Dell Windows 2000 server set up for FM >> Server 8 advance and iis to host FM files and FX/PHP. Among some other >> headaches was the PHP install. I am not novice when it comes to PCs, >> servers, Macs etc. and this process was the most frustrating setup I >> have ever come across. >> >> I gave up. >> >> I am going to buy a used Mac to host Apache FX/ PHP and FMSA. I know >> there is a min configuration for FMSA but is there a min config for >> Apache / PHP on OSx? There will be only a hand full of users logged on >> from FM Clients and 1 or 2 web clients. >> >> Any 2 cents is appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John Funk > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From andersm at alamark.com Tue Feb 10 14:23:20 2009 From: andersm at alamark.com (Anders Monsen) Date: Tue Feb 10 14:23:26 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX and PHP Frameworks In-Reply-To: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <898d01b70902090738t399580o6c968e2a0482efd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: As far as frameworks go, we have used Joomla with FileMaker at our company. Last year we created a large and very custom-built site with Joomla and FileMaker (though using the PHP API and not FX). At the time I just supplied the code to make the connections and queries, while another developer who has experience with Joomla built the site. I am now starting to look at Joomla for some of my projects (both PHP API and FX). I tried to install Cake but the first attempt resulted in errors that I had no time to investigate and resolve. However, I know how to set up a Joomla site, and I now know where to create the FileMaker connections, though I am still working on learning the Joomla MVC system. Does a framework help or hinder development? Six of one, half a dozen of the other, from what I can currently tell. I've built solutions from scratch, and while I have total control, I do like the way you have a login module with Joomla (or Drupal and other CMS type solutions). I also like being able to turn on or off modules in Joomla. However, the learning curve can be a pain, and you lose control over certain aspects. -- Anders On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > New to the list, new to FX and new to PHP! > > In years past I have done a fair amount of development with Lasso/ > FileMaker/MySQL so the overall process is not that foreign. When I > was doing the Lasso work I had nice framework to develop with and > have started investigating what is available for PHP. It looks like > the two leading candidates (always open to debate!) are Cake PHP and > Zend Framework. > > My basic question is how nicely does FX fit/play/incorporate in with > established PHP frameworks such as these two? > > I guess the other related question would be if anyone is using any > of the frameworks for PHP and what is their opinion of it. > > Thanks > > -- > --Karstyn > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From karl at beachdog.com Tue Feb 10 17:09:35 2009 From: karl at beachdog.com (Karl Johnson) Date: Tue Feb 10 17:09:42 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02B3521C-CEFF-448C-B858-8BDD7CC16E96@beachdog.com> John, We are setting up a Mac Mini as a FMPro 10 Server advanced to share out to a number of clients. The one draw back I see potentially coming in is the limitation of the hard drive size especially if the clients need to store photos. Other than that a Mac Mini or a G5 will work wonders. Whenever I look at setting up a new server of any sort, I always try and weigh affordability now and how long until I need to upgrade. The upgrade piece can be tricky as software (FMPro or other) may require newer OS than machine can handle. When you find the balance of needs then choosing a machine is easy. Karl On Feb 10, 2009, at 10:03 AM, John Funk wrote: > I am setting up a economical fm/web server for my client. > > I have been trying to get an old Dell Windows 2000 server set up for > FM Server 8 advance and iis to host FM files and FX/PHP. Among some > other headaches was the PHP install. I am not novice when it comes > to PCs, servers, Macs etc. and this process was the most frustrating > setup I have ever come across. > I gave up. > > I am going to buy a used Mac to host Apache FX/ PHP and FMSA. I know > there is a min configuration for FMSA but is there a min config for > Apache / PHP on OSx? There will be only a hand full of users logged > on from FM Clients and 1 or 2 web clients. > Any 2 cents is appreciated. > > Thanks, > John Funk > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Karl Johnson, Tech Dog "to code or not to code, that is the question" beachdog.com: are you ready to wag? PO Box 954 ? 1517 Pacific Ave N ? Long Beach, WA 98631 http://www.beachdog.com ? 360.642.4431 ? karl@beachdog.com websites ? brochures ? business cards ? postcards ? logos It's not about what we do. It's about what our process and products do for you. From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 10 17:43:24 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 10 17:43:31 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: <02B3521C-CEFF-448C-B858-8BDD7CC16E96@beachdog.com> References: <02B3521C-CEFF-448C-B858-8BDD7CC16E96@beachdog.com> Message-ID: Karl, Respectfully speaking, I think you're not considering the most important aspects of hosting databases: 1. Drive speed - I already talked about that, but I'll reiterate that drive speed is an important part of serving databases; 2. Reliability - Here's a good comparison -- on Smile On My Mac's site right now they have a G5 dual-2.0Ghz for $699; they also have an Intel Mac Mini 1.66 for $499; granted, an Intel Mac would be a better choice, all things equal, but having used both extensively, I would trust a G5 tower much more than I'll ever trust a Mac Mini. I have 6 here, so I do have lots of experience with Mac Minis; incidentally, I have 4 G5 towers too. I just don't see a $200 savings being the determining factor when choosing a production machine, when one catastrophic failure can cause you to permanently lose a client. 3. If your client were to visit your facility, and you showed him the Mac Mini on which his precious databases were running, would he feel reassured? Probably not. On the other hand, you show him a G5 tower-- would he feel reassured? Most likely. Granted, the G5 is not cutting- edge by any means, but I use it as an example of what I consider to be the lowest acceptable machine for production use. Here's one last consideration: on Smile on my Mac's site (I use them as an example because they sell a ton of used Macs and are very reliable), you can make these choices: G5 2.0 dual - $699 G5 1.6 single - $449 Mac Mini 1.66 Intel - $499 What would I choose, if money were really tight? The 2nd option. I agree that you need to balance your needs, but needs should be prioritized: 1. Reliability - this MUST be first in the list 2. Speed 3. Price ... not the other way around... :) OK, I'm off my soapbox now! Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Karl Johnson wrote: > John, > > We are setting up a Mac Mini as a FMPro 10 Server advanced to share > out to a number of clients. The one draw back I see potentially > coming in is the limitation of the hard drive size especially if the > clients need to store photos. Other than that a Mac Mini or a G5 > will work wonders. > > Whenever I look at setting up a new server of any sort, I always try > and weigh affordability now and how long until I need to upgrade. > The upgrade piece can be tricky as software (FMPro or other) may > require newer OS than machine can handle. When you find the balance > of needs then choosing a machine is easy. > > Karl From jschwartz at exit445.com Tue Feb 10 18:29:21 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Tue Feb 10 18:29:36 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: <02B3521C-CEFF-448C-B858-8BDD7CC16E96@beachdog.com> Message-ID: Bob, Were the heck are you lookin? These folks make software. http://www.smileonmymac.com/ And my 2? on the server issue.... I use Mac Minis with 7200RPM server grade hard drives because I host at a colo. It cost ~$30/month to host. I have multiple machines to deal with load and possibility of downtime. Most of the time, they sit thee, asking for more work. ;-) J At 6:43 PM -0600 2/10/09, Bob Patin wrote: >Karl, > >Respectfully speaking, I think you're not >considering the most important aspects of >hosting databases: > >1. Drive speed - I already talked about that, >but I'll reiterate that drive speed is an >important part of serving databases; > >2. Reliability - Here's a good comparison -- on >Smile On My Mac's site right now they have a G5 >dual-2.0Ghz for $699; they also have an Intel >Mac Mini 1.66 for $499; granted, an Intel Mac >would be a better choice, all things equal, but >having used both extensively, I would trust a G5 >tower much more than I'll ever trust a Mac Mini. >I have 6 here, so I do have lots of experience >with Mac Minis; incidentally, I have 4 G5 towers >too. > >I just don't see a $200 savings being the >determining factor when choosing a production >machine, when one catastrophic failure can cause >you to permanently lose a client. > >3. If your client were to visit your facility, >and you showed him the Mac Mini on which his >precious databases were running, would he feel >reassured? Probably not. On the other hand, you >show him a G5 tower--would he feel reassured? >Most likely. Granted, the G5 is not cutting-edge >by any means, but I use it as an example of what >I consider to be the lowest acceptable machine >for production use. > >Here's one last consideration: on Smile on my >Mac's site (I use them as an example because >they sell a ton of used Macs and are very >reliable), you can make these choices: > >G5 2.0 dual - $699 >G5 1.6 single - $449 >Mac Mini 1.66 Intel - $499 > >What would I choose, if money were really tight? The 2nd option. > >I agree that you need to balance your needs, but needs should be prioritized: > >1. Reliability - this MUST be first in the list >2. Speed >3. Price > >... not the other way around... :) > >OK, I'm off my soapbox now! > >Bob Patin >Longterm Solutions LLC >bob@longtermsolutions.com >615-333-6858 >http://www.longtermsolutions.com >Twitter: bobpatin >iChat/AIM: bobpatin >FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet >-------------------------- >FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker >PHP * Full email services * Free DNS hosting * Colocation * Consulting > > > >On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Karl Johnson wrote: > >>John, >> >>We are setting up a Mac Mini as a FMPro 10 >>Server advanced to share out to a number of >>clients. The one draw back I see potentially >>coming in is the limitation of the hard drive >>size especially if the clients need to store >>photos. Other than that a Mac Mini or a G5 >>will work wonders. >> >>Whenever I look at setting up a new server of >>any sort, I always try and weigh affordability >>now and how long until I need to upgrade. >>The upgrade piece can be tricky as software >>(FMPro or other) may require newer OS than >>machine can handle. When you find the balance >>of needs then choosing a machine is easy. >> >>Karl > >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From tcmeyers at troymeyers.com Tue Feb 10 18:30:29 2009 From: tcmeyers at troymeyers.com (Troy Meyers) Date: Tue Feb 10 18:30:31 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup Message-ID: Bob, Since I started this mess, I ought to point out that I was suggesting getting a NEW Mini, not a used one. I personally have less faith in a used machine (why did they get rid of it?) than a new one. We've got 5 here, they are in a business situation (wise or not), with various forms of FileMaker on all, and none have failed in constant use. Unless I misunderstood, what John originally asked about was an economical way to fix up his client for an in-house machine, with just a "handful" of users, and one or two web clients. It didn't sound like a taxing situation. Here, I'm not too concerned about a machine failure because we have the backups on external drives, and it's so easy to plop in a new Mini if it should happen. I know this isn't an argument, just a difference of opinion, a different approach. Thought I should put in my 3rd cent. -Troy From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 10 19:37:49 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 10 19:37:55 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: <02B3521C-CEFF-448C-B858-8BDD7CC16E96@beachdog.com> Message-ID: <1D88B9D0-5424-4580-9744-154DE262371F@patin.com> Oops, wrong company name; I meant Mac of All Trades... Same thing, only different... :) http://www.macofalltrades.com/Apple_Desktops_s/2.htmcom On Feb 10, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Bob, > > Were the heck are you lookin? > > These folks make software. > > http://www.smileonmymac.com/ > > And my 2? on the server issue.... > > I use Mac Minis with 7200RPM server grade hard drives because I host > at a colo. It cost ~$30/month to host. I have multiple machines to > deal with load and possibility of downtime. Most of the time, they > sit thee, asking for more work. ;-) > > J > > At 6:43 PM -0600 2/10/09, Bob Patin wrote: >> Karl, >> >> Respectfully speaking, I think you're not considering the most >> important aspects of hosting databases: >> >> 1. Drive speed - I already talked about that, but I'll reiterate >> that drive speed is an important part of serving databases; >> >> 2. Reliability - Here's a good comparison -- on Smile On My Mac's >> site right now they have a G5 dual-2.0Ghz for $699; they also have >> an Intel Mac Mini 1.66 for $499; granted, an Intel Mac would be a >> better choice, all things equal, but having used both extensively, >> I would trust a G5 tower much more than I'll ever trust a Mac Mini. >> I have 6 here, so I do have lots of experience with Mac Minis; >> incidentally, I have 4 G5 towers too. >> >> I just don't see a $200 savings being the determining factor when >> choosing a production machine, when one catastrophic failure can >> cause you to permanently lose a client. >> >> 3. If your client were to visit your facility, and you showed him >> the Mac Mini on which his precious databases were running, would he >> feel reassured? Probably not. On the other hand, you show him a G5 >> tower--would he feel reassured? Most likely. Granted, the G5 is not >> cutting-edge by any means, but I use it as an example of what I >> consider to be the lowest acceptable machine for production use. >> >> Here's one last consideration: on Smile on my Mac's site (I use >> them as an example because they sell a ton of used Macs and are >> very reliable), you can make these choices: >> >> G5 2.0 dual - $699 >> G5 1.6 single - $449 >> Mac Mini 1.66 Intel - $499 >> >> What would I choose, if money were really tight? The 2nd option. >> >> I agree that you need to balance your needs, but needs should be >> prioritized: >> >> 1. Reliability - this MUST be first in the list >> 2. Speed >> 3. Price >> >> ... not the other way around... :) >> >> OK, I'm off my soapbox now! >> >> Bob Patin >> Longterm Solutions LLC >> bob@longtermsolutions.com >> 615-333-6858 >> http://www.longtermsolutions.com >> Twitter: bobpatin >> iChat/AIM: bobpatin >> FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >> Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet >> -------------------------- >> FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker >> PHP * Full email services * Free DNS hosting * Colocation * >> Consulting >> >> >> >> On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Karl Johnson wrote: >> >>> John, >>> >>> We are setting up a Mac Mini as a FMPro 10 Server advanced to >>> share out to a number of clients. The one draw back I see >>> potentially coming in is the limitation of the hard drive size >>> especially if the clients need to store photos. Other than that a >>> Mac Mini or a G5 will work wonders. >>> >>> Whenever I look at setting up a new server of any sort, I always >>> try and weigh affordability now and how long until I need to >>> upgrade. >>> The upgrade piece can be tricky as software (FMPro or other) may >>> require newer OS than machine can handle. When you find the >>> balance of needs then choosing a machine is easy. >>> >>> Karl >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > -- > Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > jonathan@exit445.com > http://www.exit445.com > 415-370-5011 > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From jschwartz at exit445.com Tue Feb 10 20:05:36 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Tue Feb 10 20:05:57 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My choice for Mac Mini would be a refurb directly from Apple Store. $499 with one year warranty. Just add memory and 7200RPM drive. J At 5:30 PM -0800 2/10/09, Troy Meyers wrote: >Bob, > >Since I started this mess, I ought to point out that I was >suggesting getting a NEW Mini, not a used one. I personally have >less faith in a used machine (why did they get rid of it?) than a >new one. > >We've got 5 here, they are in a business situation (wise or not), >with various forms of FileMaker on all, and none have failed in >constant use. > >Unless I misunderstood, what John originally asked about was an >economical way to fix up his client for an in-house machine, with >just a "handful" of users, and one or two web clients. It didn't >sound like a taxing situation. Here, I'm not too concerned about a >machine failure because we have the backups on external drives, and >it's so easy to plop in a new Mini if it should happen. > >I know this isn't an argument, just a difference of opinion, a >different approach. Thought I should put in my 3rd cent. > >-Troy >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From jfunk at criticalsolution.com Wed Feb 11 08:08:09 2009 From: jfunk at criticalsolution.com (John Funk) Date: Wed Feb 11 08:08:14 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nice to see so much discussion. I see I am not the only one with many options. The bottom line I see here is that Macs are definitely the way to go for simplicity. THANKS John Funk On 2/10/09 9:05 PM, "Jonathan Schwartz" wrote: > My choice for Mac Mini would be a refurb directly from Apple Store. > $499 with one year warranty. Just add memory and 7200RPM drive. > > J > > At 5:30 PM -0800 2/10/09, Troy Meyers wrote: >> Bob, >> >> Since I started this mess, I ought to point out that I was >> suggesting getting a NEW Mini, not a used one. I personally have >> less faith in a used machine (why did they get rid of it?) than a >> new one. >> >> We've got 5 here, they are in a business situation (wise or not), >> with various forms of FileMaker on all, and none have failed in >> constant use. >> >> Unless I misunderstood, what John originally asked about was an >> economical way to fix up his client for an in-house machine, with >> just a "handful" of users, and one or two web clients. It didn't >> sound like a taxing situation. Here, I'm not too concerned about a >> machine failure because we have the backups on external drives, and >> it's so easy to plop in a new Mini if it should happen. >> >> I know this isn't an argument, just a difference of opinion, a >> different approach. Thought I should put in my 3rd cent. >> >> -Troy >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Wed Feb 11 08:21:39 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Wed Feb 11 08:21:49 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That I'll certainly add my 2c worth to...! Having beaten my head against IIS permissions for hours recently on a new Win2k3 server, to the point where I gave in and installed Apache and applied the tomcat connector hack to to enable it to serve FM content, (which took about 30 min, compared with the 3 hours I spent on IIS) then Macs are the way forward with their built-in FMS support for Apache... Cheers Steve On 11 Feb 2009, at 15:08, John Funk wrote: > Nice to see so much discussion. I see I am not the only one with many > options. The bottom line I see here is that Macs are definitely the > way to > go for simplicity. > THANKS > John Funk > > > On 2/10/09 9:05 PM, "Jonathan Schwartz" wrote: > >> My choice for Mac Mini would be a refurb directly from Apple Store. >> $499 with one year warranty. Just add memory and 7200RPM drive. >> >> J >> >> At 5:30 PM -0800 2/10/09, Troy Meyers wrote: >>> Bob, >>> >>> Since I started this mess, I ought to point out that I was >>> suggesting getting a NEW Mini, not a used one. I personally have >>> less faith in a used machine (why did they get rid of it?) than a >>> new one. >>> >>> We've got 5 here, they are in a business situation (wise or not), >>> with various forms of FileMaker on all, and none have failed in >>> constant use. >>> >>> Unless I misunderstood, what John originally asked about was an >>> economical way to fix up his client for an in-house machine, with >>> just a "handful" of users, and one or two web clients. It didn't >>> sound like a taxing situation. Here, I'm not too concerned about a >>> machine failure because we have the backups on external drives, and >>> it's so easy to plop in a new Mini if it should happen. >>> >>> I know this isn't an argument, just a difference of opinion, a >>> different approach. Thought I should put in my 3rd cent. >>> >>> -Troy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090211/4f922e5a/attachment.html From dbengston at tds.net Wed Feb 11 08:38:08 2009 From: dbengston at tds.net (Dale Bengston) Date: Wed Feb 11 08:38:15 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A0917AF-BC2E-4596-B205-D30BEB192CCC@tds.net> Used equipment is a pretty good way to go, in my opinion. Very often, dollar value does not keep pace with capability. Most companies selling off high-end hardware like G5s are doing so because they've moved on to Intel. The market for these machines is people doing graphics, print and video production. The difference between a new Mac and a two-year-old Mac is huge for people on the front lines of such production. So, it may be yesterday's technology for them, but for the rest of us, a G5 is still a wicked server platform. My dad worked in electronics manufacturing for around about 100 years, and he taught me the 48-hour rule: if you run a new piece of electronics for 48 hours and it's still running, it'll probably run forever. Most failures occur within that length of time. (Disclaimers of course for mistreatment/abuse, and of course components with moving parts like hard drives and power supplies.) So, a used G5 is probably good for another 3-5 years. For the type of web-based work we're doing, and as Bob P has pointed out, hard drive RPM and RAM are more important than raw processor speed. In both of these categories, the expansion options are better for a G5 than they are for a mini. My rule of thumb is, a server should be a server, and run on server-class hardware. A mini is not server class. We're talking a laptop hard drive here. That said, I have two more comments: 1. I absolutely love Mac minis. I wish I had five of them in a stack. I have used one as an internal testing/dev server for years. I would not put one out facing clients (or their customers) though. I now have a Mac mini in my living room, hooked up to my TV and stereo, as well as the Internet. Pretty cool. 2. One could make the case for buying used Mac Pros instead of G5s now, as Apple will soon start dropping pre-Intel hardware off the supported lists for OS X. If you want to take used hardware into the future, and keep up to date on OS X, go Intel. My 2?. Dale On Feb 10, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Troy Meyers wrote: > Bob, > > Since I started this mess, I ought to point out that I was > suggesting getting a NEW Mini, not a used one. I personally have > less faith in a used machine (why did they get rid of it?) than a > new one. > > We've got 5 here, they are in a business situation (wise or not), > with various forms of FileMaker on all, and none have failed in > constant use. > > Unless I misunderstood, what John originally asked about was an > economical way to fix up his client for an in-house machine, with > just a "handful" of users, and one or two web clients. It didn't > sound like a taxing situation. Here, I'm not too concerned about a > machine failure because we have the backups on external drives, and > it's so easy to plop in a new Mini if it should happen. > > I know this isn't an argument, just a difference of opinion, a > different approach. Thought I should put in my 3rd cent. > > -Troy > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 1582 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090211/dc25efba/smime.bin From tcmeyers at troymeyers.com Wed Feb 11 08:49:16 2009 From: tcmeyers at troymeyers.com (Troy Meyers) Date: Wed Feb 11 08:49:18 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup Message-ID: Jonathan, It sounds like maybe you are adding the memory and drive yourself. What do you use to open the machine? Just wondering if there's something better than putty knives. -Troy > My choice for Mac Mini would be a refurb directly from Apple Store. > $499 with one year warranty. Just add memory and 7200RPM drive. > > J From rogerkiwi at mac.com Wed Feb 11 08:52:12 2009 From: rogerkiwi at mac.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Wed Feb 11 08:52:16 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: <2A0917AF-BC2E-4596-B205-D30BEB192CCC@tds.net> References: <2A0917AF-BC2E-4596-B205-D30BEB192CCC@tds.net> Message-ID: On Feb 11, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Dale Bengston wrote: > The difference between a new Mac and a two-year-old Mac is huge for > people on the front lines of such production. So, it may be > yesterday's technology for them, but for the rest of us, a G5 is > still a wicked server platform. I've got 22 databases that total about 1.8 million records, including one database of over 800,000 records all running on an eMac that has a 700 MHz G4 chip in it - it's working splendidly for me here http://data.wmgs.org/ and then click any of the Search buttons - the first one goes to the largest database. Yes, they're simple databases of only a few fields and nothing very complicated, but the eMac has served well for nearly 2 years now. And it replaced a PowerMac 7500 that ran FileMaker Pro 6 Unlimited for about 7 years prior to that (FileMaker 4 before that I think it was). The eMac does the database part of the 2 machine setup, and my Mac Pro 2 x quad core 2.8 GHz does the Apache part of it. The LAN is 100 MBit between the machines. Old Mac hardware never dies - it just goes into my basement to become a FileMaker Server machine :-) Cheers Roger From bob at patin.com Wed Feb 11 08:57:03 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Wed Feb 11 08:57:09 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: <2A0917AF-BC2E-4596-B205-D30BEB192CCC@tds.net> References: <2A0917AF-BC2E-4596-B205-D30BEB192CCC@tds.net> Message-ID: Totally agree with you, Dale, although the prices on used MacPros are still significantly higher than on used G5s. I have several Mac Pros here and love them; if I could, I'd have nothing but them running here. I also second his affection for Mac Minis; they're great little computers. I had one in my stereo cabinet for a long time until I got an AppleTV (quite the fanboy here); I moved all of my music and movies to a Drobo and really like it. There are some other really good sources for used Macs: L.A. Computer Mac of All Trades (which I've mentioned) NewEgg.com (sometimes, not sure if they still sell used Macs) eBay (if you're careful to buy from well-ranked sellers, you won't get burned) My favorite source for RAM, and where you'll find great prices: memoryx.net -- great people, very helpful if you should accidentally order wrong RAM (how do I know this, you ask) Best, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 11, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Dale Bengston wrote: > 1. I absolutely love Mac minis. I wish I had five of them in a > stack. I have used one as an internal testing/dev server for years. > I would not put one out facing clients (or their customers) though. > I now have a Mac mini in my living room, hooked up to my TV and > stereo, as well as the Internet. Pretty cool. > > 2. One could make the case for buying used Mac Pros instead of G5s > now, as Apple will soon start dropping pre-Intel hardware off the > supported lists for OS X. If you want to take used hardware into the > future, and keep up to date on OS X, go Intel. From bob at patin.com Wed Feb 11 08:57:44 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Wed Feb 11 08:57:49 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Putty knives are the best method I've found, and almost exactly what the local Mac auth. repair place uses (saw it on his bench). BP Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 11, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Troy Meyers wrote: > Jonathan, > > It sounds like maybe you are adding the memory and drive yourself. > What do you use to open the machine? Just wondering if there's > something better than putty knives. > > -Troy > > >> My choice for Mac Mini would be a refurb directly from Apple Store. >> $499 with one year warranty. Just add memory and 7200RPM drive. >> >> J > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From tcmeyers at troymeyers.com Wed Feb 11 09:03:18 2009 From: tcmeyers at troymeyers.com (Troy Meyers) Date: Wed Feb 11 09:03:21 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup Message-ID: <31993C70.9BBD.4CD4.A89B.1A2C2A9D00A1@102.928007> Funny, I had visualized the "official" tool as having many strategically placed fingers. Go figure. -Troy > Putty knives are the best method I've found, and almost exactly what > the local Mac auth. repair place uses (saw it on his bench). > > BP From bob at patin.com Wed Feb 11 09:03:32 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Wed Feb 11 09:03:39 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: <2A0917AF-BC2E-4596-B205-D30BEB192CCC@tds.net> Message-ID: <3395CDE6-4727-4742-8D93-25F2EBE8ED32@patin.com> I can go that one farther! When I started hosting databases in 1998, I got an iMac for $300 from eBay; I put FileMaker 5 Unlimited on it, and used it along with 2 others for a RAIC (redundant array of inexpensive computers) for using FileMaker with CDML. For those of you who never dealt with CDML, you had to use FileMaker Unlimited, which was essentially an unlimited- user version of FileMaker Pro client, to talk to the web server. So anyway, I had 3 FM Unlimited machines for each of my 4 RAICs; I'm down to one RAIC now and only a half-dozen CDML sites, for clients who refuse to upgrade; that original iMac has been running 24/7 for almost 12 years now. I told these CDML clients that I wouldn't be upgrading hardware, and won't be, so that old iMac still sits in my server room doing its thing. One of the original CDML clients upgraded his site this year to XSLT, and swears that his original site, running on CDML through FileMaker 5 Unlimited and OS 9 (if you can believe it), is faster than his new site running with PHP. So that machine is a testament to old long-outdated hardware still running great and keeping up with state-of-the-art server hardware. Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, Roger Moffat wrote: > I've got 22 databases that total about 1.8 million records, > including one database of over 800,000 records all running on an > eMac that has a 700 MHz G4 chip in it - it's working splendidly for > me here http://data.wmgs.org/ > > and then click any of the Search buttons - the first one goes to the > largest database. Yes, they're simple databases of only a few fields > and nothing very complicated, but the eMac has served well for > nearly 2 years now. And it replaced a PowerMac 7500 that ran > FileMaker Pro 6 Unlimited for about 7 years prior to that (FileMaker > 4 before that I think it was). > > The eMac does the database part of the 2 machine setup, and my Mac > Pro 2 x quad core 2.8 GHz does the Apache part of it. The LAN is 100 > MBit between the machines. > > Old Mac hardware never dies - it just goes into my basement to > become a FileMaker Server machine :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you're a Mac user, you might want to download the open beta here: http://www.postbox-inc.com Best, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat: bobpatin AIM: longterm1954 FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & FileMaker TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker Web hosting ? PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting From leo at finalresort.org Wed Feb 11 10:22:37 2009 From: leo at finalresort.org (Leo R. Lundgren) Date: Wed Feb 11 10:22:44 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Great new mail client for Mac In-Reply-To: <49930087.3010009@patin.com> References: <49930087.3010009@patin.com> Message-ID: Hi, Regarding threads, what does Postbox do that Apple Mail doesn't? My Mail tracks threads both by the subject line and by some ID in the mail headers (at least that's what I think, I havent' verified it at all, but noticed that often when threads are hijacked (stop doing that!), Mail the "hijacking" mail is still sorted within the thread it originates from, thats why I assume this is the case). 11 feb 2009 kl. 17.44 skrev Bob Patin: > I'm using a new beta of Postbox, which is a mail client for the Mac > that looks really promising. > > The reason I mention it here is because it automatically collects > threads, which is excellent for following lists like this one. If > you're a Mac user, you might want to download the open beta here: > > http://www.postbox-inc.com > > Best, > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat: bobpatin > AIM: longterm1954 > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & FileMaker TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > Web hosting ? PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? > Colocation ? Consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -| From bob at patin.com Wed Feb 11 10:44:24 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Wed Feb 11 10:44:35 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Great new mail client for Mac In-Reply-To: References: <49930087.3010009@patin.com> Message-ID: <49930E78.6070105@patin.com> Leo, Your question led me to find that preference that turns on message threading in Apple Mail... I wish I'd known about it months ago! The only difference I can see there is that in Postbox it puts a nice collapsible hierarchy to the thread, but other than that, I now see the FX list nicely sorted... BP Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting Leo R. Lundgren wrote: > Hi, > > Regarding threads, what does Postbox do that Apple Mail doesn't? My > Mail tracks threads both by the subject line and by some ID in the > mail headers (at least that's what I think, I havent' verified it at > all, but noticed that often when threads are hijacked (stop doing > that!), Mail the "hijacking" mail is still sorted within the thread it > originates from, thats why I assume this is the case). > > > 11 feb 2009 kl. 17.44 skrev Bob Patin: > >> I'm using a new beta of Postbox, which is a mail client for the Mac >> that looks really promising. >> >> The reason I mention it here is because it automatically collects >> threads, which is excellent for following lists like this one. If >> you're a Mac user, you might want to download the open beta here: >> >> http://www.postbox-inc.com >> >> Best, >> >> Bob Patin >> Longterm Solutions >> bob@longtermsolutions.com >> 615-333-6858 >> http://www.longtermsolutions.com >> Twitter: bobpatin >> iChat: bobpatin >> AIM: longterm1954 >> FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >> Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & FileMaker TechNet >> -------------------------- >> FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker >> Web hosting ? PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? >> Colocation ? Consulting >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > -| > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From bob at patin.com Wed Feb 11 10:45:18 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Wed Feb 11 10:45:23 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Great new mail client for Mac In-Reply-To: References: <49930087.3010009@patin.com> Message-ID: <49930EAE.3040106@patin.com> Well, once again I stand corrected... I see that the VIEW menu allows exactly that same feature in Apple Mail. Oh well... Leo R. Lundgren wrote: > Hi, > > Regarding threads, what does Postbox do that Apple Mail doesn't? My > Mail tracks threads both by the subject line and by some ID in the > mail headers (at least that's what I think, I havent' verified it at > all, but noticed that often when threads are hijacked (stop doing > that!), Mail the "hijacking" mail is still sorted within the thread it > originates from, thats why I assume this is the case). > > > 11 feb 2009 kl. 17.44 skrev Bob Patin: > >> I'm using a new beta of Postbox, which is a mail client for the Mac >> that looks really promising. >> >> The reason I mention it here is because it automatically collects >> threads, which is excellent for following lists like this one. If >> you're a Mac user, you might want to download the open beta here: >> >> http://www.postbox-inc.com >> >> Best, >> >> Bob Patin >> Longterm Solutions >> bob@longtermsolutions.com >> 615-333-6858 >> http://www.longtermsolutions.com >> Twitter: bobpatin >> iChat: bobpatin >> AIM: longterm1954 >> FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >> Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & FileMaker TechNet >> -------------------------- >> FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker >> Web hosting ? PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? >> Colocation ? Consulting >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > -| > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From leo at finalresort.org Wed Feb 11 10:47:58 2009 From: leo at finalresort.org (Leo R. Lundgren) Date: Wed Feb 11 10:48:04 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Great new mail client for Mac In-Reply-To: <49930EAE.3040106@patin.com> References: <49930087.3010009@patin.com> <49930EAE.3040106@patin.com> Message-ID: =D Well, you can't know everything about something. Learn something new every day! 11 feb 2009 kl. 18.45 skrev Bob Patin: > Well, once again I stand corrected... I see that the VIEW menu > allows exactly that same feature in Apple Mail. Oh well... > > Leo R. Lundgren wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Regarding threads, what does Postbox do that Apple Mail doesn't? >> My Mail tracks threads both by the subject line and by some ID in >> the mail headers (at least that's what I think, I havent' verified >> it at all, but noticed that often when threads are hijacked (stop >> doing that!), Mail the "hijacking" mail is still sorted within the >> thread it originates from, thats why I assume this is the case). >> >> >> 11 feb 2009 kl. 17.44 skrev Bob Patin: >> >>> I'm using a new beta of Postbox, which is a mail client for the >>> Mac that looks really promising. >>> >>> The reason I mention it here is because it automatically collects >>> threads, which is excellent for following lists like this one. If >>> you're a Mac user, you might want to download the open beta here: >>> >>> http://www.postbox-inc.com >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Bob Patin >>> Longterm Solutions >>> bob@longtermsolutions.com >>> 615-333-6858 >>> http://www.longtermsolutions.com >>> Twitter: bobpatin >>> iChat: bobpatin >>> AIM: longterm1954 >>> FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >>> Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & FileMaker TechNet >>> -------------------------- >>> FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker >>> Web hosting ? PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? >>> Colocation ? Consulting >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> -| >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -| From rogerkiwi at mac.com Wed Feb 11 11:09:18 2009 From: rogerkiwi at mac.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Wed Feb 11 11:09:23 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Great new mail client for Mac In-Reply-To: References: <49930087.3010009@patin.com> <49930EAE.3040106@patin.com> Message-ID: On Feb 11, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Leo R. Lundgren wrote: > Well, you can't know everything about something. Learn something new > every day! I find the trouble with this is that something old, and in some cases not so old, seems to get displaced to make room for the new, and a few months later I have to learn it over again - my brain is apparently full, but isn't on FIFO Roger From Blair.Duncan at bbdo.ca Wed Feb 11 11:17:11 2009 From: Blair.Duncan at bbdo.ca (Blair Duncan) Date: Wed Feb 11 11:19:20 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] fckeditor Message-ID: For those that have the need - I discovered this last week and love it. http://www.fckeditor.net/demo Very easy to add full WYSISYG to any textarea fields. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. This message and any attachments contain information, which may be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please refrain from any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this information. Please be aware that such actions are prohibited. 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They might...or might not....involve these components: - original data form - self-assigned or system-assigned password - change password on first use. - change password at defined intervals - email confirmation to complete registration - encrypted, encrypted with salt, etc And then there are the 'retrieve or reset password' routines. For reference, I am allowing the end user to specify the password, sending the password in cleartext in the confirmation email and also sending the password via email in cleartext in the 'retrieve password' routine. There is personal information involved. An additional question: Are we theoretically protecting from 1) eavesdropping on emails as they are being sent, 2) theft of recipient's emails/computer after being received, 3) theft/loss of the client's database...or all of the above? I know that there isn't any single answer, and it depends on the circumstances, but I was looking for a discussion or an article or two that covers the subject. Thanks, Jonathan -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From leo at finalresort.org Thu Feb 12 14:07:50 2009 From: leo at finalresort.org (Leo R. Lundgren) Date: Thu Feb 12 14:07:55 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [Off] Using Clear Text Passwords/Registration Design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <280D0864-C7AF-4373-85CD-40B01268C53C@finalresort.org> Hi, Use HTTPS all over the site, /including the start pages and pages that print out forms where sensitive data is to be entered/. The reason for not just using it on URLs that are POSTed to (i.e. making the forms post to HTTPS urls but having only HTTP for the form page) is that unless the page printing the form where the user enters their sensitive is secured, who knows where the form will send its data? The form page could've been hijacked and altered to make the form POST the sensitive information to a totally different site than your own. Regarding passwords, or course there are scenarios where the system should create one. But usually, why not let the users enter a password themselves? That way there shouldn't be any need to send it to them by mail later on; they shouldn't need a reminder of what they entered as their password. You can enforce the use of mixed characters and numbers and special characters in the password, as well as the minimum length of it, at the input form for the password. And of course, make them have to type it in twice to get it right. So, assuming the above, we shouldn't need to send the password to them upon registration/updating of their account. Next, if they ever loose/forget their account password, IMO the following applies; 1) IMPORTANT: You shouldn't even be able to send them their password. If you are, that means their password is stored on your side in readable form, which is a big NO-NO! You should store it encrypted using a one-way encryption method. 2) Even if you did have it in clear text, don't send it to them. Instead, send them a "reset your password" link, which takes them to a secure and encrypted page on your site, where they do the old "enter a new password", pretty much like they did when they first registered. 12 feb 2009 kl. 15.34 skrev Jonathan Schwartz: > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone have advise or links to reference material on the > design of well-designed registration/log-in systems, particularly > involving the sending of passwords in cleartext? I don't have a link or anything, sorry :< And I surely haven't covered it all, but what I wrote in the beginning of this mail should cover the basics. > Here's the problem...some end users of a clients project complain > about receiving their passwords via email in cleartext. Googling > the subject turns up an ongoing debate between security and > convenience. > > From personal experience, there seem to be a myriad of combinations > of how registration systems work. They might...or might > not....involve these components: > - original data form > - self-assigned or system-assigned password > - change password on first use. > - change password at defined intervals > - email confirmation to complete registration > - encrypted, encrypted with salt, etc > > And then there are the 'retrieve or reset password' routines. > > For reference, I am allowing the end user to specify the password, > sending the password in cleartext in the confirmation email and > also sending the password via email in cleartext in the 'retrieve > password' routine. There is personal information involved. > > An additional question: Are we theoretically protecting from 1) > eavesdropping on emails as they are being sent, 2) theft of > recipient's emails/computer after being received, 3) theft/loss of > the client's database...or all of the above? Since all of these are possible scenarios, yes, we should protect against all of it. > I know that there isn't any single answer, and it depends on the > circumstances, but I was looking for a discussion or an article or > two that covers the subject. -| From tim at nicheit.com.au Thu Feb 12 14:29:58 2009 From: tim at nicheit.com.au (Tim 'Webko' Booth) Date: Thu Feb 12 14:30:04 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [Off] Using Clear Text Passwords/Registration Design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <941DF02C-66DC-48F3-A40A-CC1A7ABCD492@nicheit.com.au> On 13/02/2009, at 1:34 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone have advise or links to reference material on the design > of well-designed registration/log-in systems, particularly involving > the sending of passwords in cleartext? > > Here's the problem...some end users of a clients project complain > about receiving their passwords via email in cleartext. Googling > the subject turns up an ongoing debate between security and > convenience. It should be about reasonable security for the system involved. A system for banking should be like Leo described. A user support forum doesn't really need all of that. So, first define with the client how secure *they* think the system should be. And then remember that half the people, given a chance, will use Password and Secret for their logons anyway. > > > For reference, I am allowing the end user to specify the password, > sending the password in cleartext in the confirmation email and also > sending the password via email in cleartext in the 'retrieve > password' routine. There is personal information involved. How much, and of what? Names and roles in the company are pretty much public knowledge, where their banking details would be a different issue. > > > An additional question: Are we theoretically protecting from 1) > eavesdropping on emails as they are being sent, 2) theft of > recipient's emails/computer after being received, 3) theft/loss of > the client's database...or all of the above? Most of this is about 'man-in-middle' eavesdropping on email/interwebs traffic. Point 2 - there's very little that can be done by you about physical security, and it's always the worst issue out of the lot to deal with (there have been so many cases of highly confidential info being on a lost laptop/USB/CD that I can't even begin...) If 1 or 2 occur, then whoever has the chance to login as that person, so there's your level of risk Cheers Webko From andersm at alamark.com Thu Feb 12 14:57:47 2009 From: andersm at alamark.com (Anders Monsen) Date: Thu Feb 12 14:57:51 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [Off] Using Clear Text Passwords/Registration Design In-Reply-To: <280D0864-C7AF-4373-85CD-40B01268C53C@finalresort.org> References: <280D0864-C7AF-4373-85CD-40B01268C53C@finalresort.org> Message-ID: <86297358-6F93-4C82-9FB8-2969EC2C04F5@alamark.com> On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Leo R. Lundgren wrote: > Use HTTPS all over the site, /including the start pages and pages > that print out forms where sensitive data is to be entered/. The > reason for not just using it on URLs that are POSTed to (i.e. making > the forms post to HTTPS urls but having only HTTP for the form page) > is that unless the page printing the form where the user enters > their sensitive is secured, who knows where the form will send its > data? The form page could've been hijacked and altered to make the > form POST the sensitive information to a totally different site than > your own. You can build some form security by creating a session token and supplying this with the form. This should hinder people from hijacking your form and posting from a separate location, though I am not sure how foolproof this is against determined attackers. On your form page: if(!session_id()) session_start(); $token = md5(uniqid(rand(), TRUE)); $_SESSION['token'] = $token;

------ When processing form - if(isset($_SESSION['token']) && isset($_POST['token']) && $_POST['token'] == $_SESSION['token']) { // process the form } -- Anders Monsen From jsfmp at earthlink.net Thu Feb 12 14:58:10 2009 From: jsfmp at earthlink.net (Joel Shapiro) Date: Thu Feb 12 14:58:15 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [Off] Using Clear Text Passwords/Registration Design In-Reply-To: <941DF02C-66DC-48F3-A40A-CC1A7ABCD492@nicheit.com.au> References: <941DF02C-66DC-48F3-A40A-CC1A7ABCD492@nicheit.com.au> Message-ID: <4C2E4287-ACFA-4673-85AC-D483C595E53F@earthlink.net> I agree with Tim on deciding with the client how secure they want/ need their system to be. I had one client specifically ask to have passwords sent in plain text in emails when a user forgets her/his password, as they felt that would be easiest for everybody and their site doesn't really need much security. Another client recently wanted to use their company email addresses as user login names. I designed the system to let the users set their own passwords, and then when they forget them, the client/admin clears out that user's password (via their admin PHP page) so that the user will need to create a new one on next login -- without anyone ever seeing what the password had been. I did this in part because I realized that many users would probably use the same password in this site as they use for their email acct, and I didn't want the responsibilty of the client/admin having access to their users' email passwords. Best, -Joel On Feb 12, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Tim 'Webko' Booth wrote: > > On 13/02/2009, at 1:34 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Does anyone have advise or links to reference material on the >> design of well-designed registration/log-in systems, particularly >> involving the sending of passwords in cleartext? >> >> Here's the problem...some end users of a clients project complain >> about receiving their passwords via email in cleartext. Googling >> the subject turns up an ongoing debate between security and >> convenience. > > It should be about reasonable security for the system involved. > > A system for banking should be like Leo described. > > A user support forum doesn't really need all of that. > > So, first define with the client how secure *they* think the system > should be. And then remember that half the people, given a chance, > will use Password and Secret for their logons anyway. >> >> >> For reference, I am allowing the end user to specify the password, >> sending the password in cleartext in the confirmation email and >> also sending the password via email in cleartext in the 'retrieve >> password' routine. There is personal information involved. > > How much, and of what? Names and roles in the company are pretty > much public knowledge, where their banking details would be a > different issue. >> >> >> An additional question: Are we theoretically protecting from 1) >> eavesdropping on emails as they are being sent, 2) theft of >> recipient's emails/computer after being received, 3) theft/loss of >> the client's database...or all of the above? > > Most of this is about 'man-in-middle' eavesdropping on email/ > interwebs traffic. > > Point 2 - there's very little that can be done by you about > physical security, and it's always the worst issue out of the lot > to deal with (there have been so many cases of highly confidential > info being on a lost laptop/USB/CD that I can't even begin...) > > If 1 or 2 occur, then whoever has the chance to login as that > person, so there's your level of risk > > Cheers > > Webko > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From leo at finalresort.org Thu Feb 12 15:02:28 2009 From: leo at finalresort.org (Leo R. Lundgren) Date: Thu Feb 12 15:02:31 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [Off] Using Clear Text Passwords/Registration Design In-Reply-To: <941DF02C-66DC-48F3-A40A-CC1A7ABCD492@nicheit.com.au> References: <941DF02C-66DC-48F3-A40A-CC1A7ABCD492@nicheit.com.au> Message-ID: 12 feb 2009 kl. 22.29 skrev Tim 'Webko' Booth: > On 13/02/2009, at 1:34 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Does anyone have advise or links to reference material on the >> design of well-designed registration/log-in systems, particularly >> involving the sending of passwords in cleartext? >> >> Here's the problem...some end users of a clients project complain >> about receiving their passwords via email in cleartext. Googling >> the subject turns up an ongoing debate between security and >> convenience. > > It should be about reasonable security for the system involved. > > A system for banking should be like Leo described. > > A user support forum doesn't really need all of that. Tim, I agree with you that the level of security (or in other words, the amount of resources and effort put into it) should be reasonable with regards to what is really needed. I would like to point out, however, that the few things I suggested are really nothing special or hard to do/time consuming to implement. It's all basic things that you'd do as part of your basic code for the site. For example: - HTTPS: Just use it all over the site, force HTTP requests over to HTTPS. A signed certificate doesn't cost much these days. If really low-budgeted, use a self-signed certificate, but this will give you encryption only. - Requiring somewhat sane passwords when the user sets them: Just some logic code checking that you have at least two of each type of characters, and a check for the length. If not satisfied, give the user a notice and let them do it again. Also, make sure that the two passwords entered match. - One-way encryption of users passwords, and authenticating against the stored hashes: Instead of saving the password in clear text, use an encryption function that can take the password as the subject to encrypt, and the password as a salt. Then, to authenticate the users, just do the same thing again with the login information they submit and compare the result of it with the result that you saved when they set up the password for their account. If the results match, allow. So in short, one or two extra function calls is what this is about. - An extra "reset your password page": Not a lot of extra work since you already have the registration page done. My point is that there is no reason not to do the above. The extra work is probably not even worth mentioning :) And it will probably give your users a better confidence when they see that you take / their/ security seriously. That part about their physical machines and e-mail accounts is a problem though. Usually one is left to rely on their local security. In order to protect against physical theft/breaches we'd need to raise the level of security considerably. -| From leo at finalresort.org Thu Feb 12 15:05:57 2009 From: leo at finalresort.org (Leo R. Lundgren) Date: Thu Feb 12 15:06:01 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [Off] Using Clear Text Passwords/Registration Design In-Reply-To: References: <941DF02C-66DC-48F3-A40A-CC1A7ABCD492@nicheit.com.au> Message-ID: <3F9FBD73-94DA-4CA6-BA3D-54EE9BFA6EF8@finalresort.org> 12 feb 2009 kl. 23.02 skrev Leo R. Lundgren: > My point is that there is no reason not to do the above. As long as the client doesn't specifically ask you to do it some other way, of course :) But I'd still talk to them about it so that we get a good trade-off between usability and security. -| From bob at patin.com Thu Feb 12 18:31:23 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Thu Feb 12 18:31:30 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [Off] Using Clear Text Passwords/Registration Design In-Reply-To: References: <941DF02C-66DC-48F3-A40A-CC1A7ABCD492@nicheit.com.au> Message-ID: My only thought about using HTPPS throughout a site is that it's not quite as fast--or is this my imagination? Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 12, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Leo R. Lundgren wrote: > > 12 feb 2009 kl. 22.29 skrev Tim 'Webko' Booth: > >> On 13/02/2009, at 1:34 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Does anyone have advise or links to reference material on the >>> design of well-designed registration/log-in systems, particularly >>> involving the sending of passwords in cleartext? >>> >>> Here's the problem...some end users of a clients project complain >>> about receiving their passwords via email in cleartext. Googling >>> the subject turns up an ongoing debate between security and >>> convenience. >> >> It should be about reasonable security for the system involved. >> >> A system for banking should be like Leo described. >> >> A user support forum doesn't really need all of that. > > > Tim, I agree with you that the level of security (or in other words, > the amount of resources and effort put into it) should be reasonable > with regards to what is really needed. > > I would like to point out, however, that the few things I suggested > are really nothing special or hard to do/time consuming to > implement. It's all basic things that you'd do as part of your basic > code for the site. For example: > - HTTPS: Just use it all over the site, force HTTP requests over to > HTTPS. A signed certificate doesn't cost much these days. If really > low-budgeted, use a self-signed certificate, but this will give you > encryption only. > - Requiring somewhat sane passwords when the user sets them: Just > some logic code checking that you have at least two of each type of > characters, and a check for the length. If not satisfied, give the > user a notice and let them do it again. Also, make sure that the two > passwords entered match. > - One-way encryption of users passwords, and authenticating against > the stored hashes: Instead of saving the password in clear text, use > an encryption function that can take the password as the subject to > encrypt, and the password as a salt. Then, to authenticate the > users, just do the same thing again with the login information they > submit and compare the result of it with the result that you saved > when they set up the password for their account. If the results > match, allow. So in short, one or two extra function calls is what > this is about. > - An extra "reset your password page": Not a lot of extra work > since you already have the registration page done. > > My point is that there is no reason not to do the above. The extra > work is probably not even worth mentioning :) And it will probably > give your users a better confidence when they see that you take / > their/ security seriously. > > That part about their physical machines and e-mail accounts is a > problem though. Usually one is left to rely on their local security. > In order to protect against physical theft/breaches we'd need to > raise the level of security considerably. > > -| > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Thu Feb 12 23:53:39 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Thu Feb 12 23:53:51 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [Off] Using Clear Text Passwords/Registration Design In-Reply-To: References: <941DF02C-66DC-48F3-A40A-CC1A7ABCD492@nicheit.com.au> Message-ID: <75A181FD-293F-47B9-B470-D2E6A585C30C@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Hi Bob, I think these days it's just a combination of your imagination and a reasonably long memory...! In the 'old days' of https it was definitely slower, due mostly to the speed of the client computer and the capabilities of the browser as they did the de-encryption at the local end of things... With modern PCs and browsers this effect is significantly reduced, to the point that it's no-longer any sort of reason not to do https (IMO) Cheers Steve On 13 Feb 2009, at 01:31, Bob Patin wrote: > My only thought about using HTPPS throughout a site is that it's not > quite as fast--or is this my imagination? > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting > > On Feb 12, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Leo R. Lundgren wrote: > >> >> 12 feb 2009 kl. 22.29 skrev Tim 'Webko' Booth: >> >>> On 13/02/2009, at 1:34 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> Does anyone have advise or links to reference material on the >>>> design of well-designed registration/log-in systems, particularly >>>> involving the sending of passwords in cleartext? >>>> >>>> Here's the problem...some end users of a clients project complain >>>> about receiving their passwords via email in cleartext. Googling >>>> the subject turns up an ongoing debate between security and >>>> convenience. >>> >>> It should be about reasonable security for the system involved. >>> >>> A system for banking should be like Leo described. >>> >>> A user support forum doesn't really need all of that. >> >> >> Tim, I agree with you that the level of security (or in other >> words, the amount of resources and effort put into it) should be >> reasonable with regards to what is really needed. >> >> I would like to point out, however, that the few things I suggested >> are really nothing special or hard to do/time consuming to >> implement. It's all basic things that you'd do as part of your >> basic code for the site. For example: >> - HTTPS: Just use it all over the site, force HTTP requests over >> to HTTPS. A signed certificate doesn't cost much these days. If >> really low-budgeted, use a self-signed certificate, but this will >> give you encryption only. >> - Requiring somewhat sane passwords when the user sets them: Just >> some logic code checking that you have at least two of each type of >> characters, and a check for the length. If not satisfied, give the >> user a notice and let them do it again. Also, make sure that the >> two passwords entered match. >> - One-way encryption of users passwords, and authenticating >> against the stored hashes: Instead of saving the password in clear >> text, use an encryption function that can take the password as the >> subject to encrypt, and the password as a salt. Then, to >> authenticate the users, just do the same thing again with the login >> information they submit and compare the result of it with the >> result that you saved when they set up the password for their >> account. If the results match, allow. So in short, one or two extra >> function calls is what this is about. >> - An extra "reset your password page": Not a lot of extra work >> since you already have the registration page done. >> >> My point is that there is no reason not to do the above. The extra >> work is probably not even worth mentioning :) And it will probably >> give your users a better confidence when they see that you take / >> their/ security seriously. >> >> That part about their physical machines and e-mail accounts is a >> problem though. Usually one is left to rely on their local >> security. In order to protect against physical theft/breaches we'd >> need to raise the level of security considerably. >> >> -| >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if > HTTPS was truly slower in those days, but for me it was sure more > annoying! > > Dale From ggt667 at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 01:57:42 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Mon Feb 16 01:57:46 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Economical Mac Server setup In-Reply-To: References: <2A0917AF-BC2E-4596-B205-D30BEB192CCC@tds.net> <3395CDE6-4727-4742-8D93-25F2EBE8ED32@patin.com> Message-ID: Hmm, here is what my approach to MacMini for hosting would look like 8GB SSD internal, just to not have the heat from a spinning disk inside. 1.5TB Seagate Extreme external as boot disk ggt667 2009/2/11 Dale Bengston : > Great stories Bob. All of this goes to demonstrate, as does Roger's post, > that it's more about RAM and hard disks than raw processor power. I have > recently resurrected a 466MHz G4 machine to run MySQL on for testing. It > turns out to be a pretty nice testing platform for MySQL... and it's nine > years old. > Dale > > On Feb 11, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Bob Patin wrote: > > I can go that one farther! > When I started hosting databases in 1998, I got an iMac for $300 from eBay; > I put FileMaker 5 Unlimited on it, and used it along with 2 others for a > RAIC (redundant array of inexpensive computers) for using FileMaker with > CDML. For those of you who never dealt with CDML, you had to use FileMaker > Unlimited, which was essentially an unlimited-user version of FileMaker Pro > client, to talk to the web server. > So anyway, I had 3 FM Unlimited machines for each of my 4 RAICs; I'm down to > one RAIC now and only a half-dozen CDML sites, for clients who refuse to > upgrade; that original iMac has been running 24/7 for almost 12 years now. I > told these CDML clients that I wouldn't be upgrading hardware, and won't be, > so that old iMac still sits in my server room doing its thing. > One of the original CDML clients upgraded his site this year to XSLT, and > swears that his original site, running on CDML through FileMaker 5 Unlimited > and OS 9 (if you can believe it), is faster than his new site running with > PHP. > So that machine is a testament to old long-outdated hardware still running > great and keeping up with state-of-the-art server hardware. > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting > On Feb 11, 2009, at 9:52 AM, Roger Moffat wrote: > > I've got 22 databases that total about 1.8 million records, including one > database of over 800,000 records all running on an eMac that has a 700 MHz > G4 chip in it - it's working splendidly for me here http://data.wmgs.org/ > > and then click any of the Search buttons - the first one goes to the largest > database. Yes, they're simple databases of only a few fields and nothing > very complicated, but the eMac has served well for nearly 2 years now. And > it replaced a PowerMac 7500 that ran FileMaker Pro 6 Unlimited for about 7 > years prior to that (FileMaker 4 before that I think it was). > > The eMac does the database part of the 2 machine setup, and my Mac Pro 2 x > quad core 2.8 GHz does the Apache part of it. The LAN is 100 MBit between > the machines. > > Old Mac hardware never dies - it just goes into my basement to become a > FileMaker Server machine :-) > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From ggt667 at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 02:00:00 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Mon Feb 16 02:00:03 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Great new mail client for Mac In-Reply-To: References: <49930087.3010009@patin.com> <49930EAE.3040106@patin.com> Message-ID: Especially the people using daily digest makes a mess in a threaded view. ggt 2009/2/11, Roger Moffat : > > On Feb 11, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Leo R. Lundgren wrote: > > > > Well, you can't know everything about something. Learn something new every > day! > > > > I find the trouble with this is that something old, and in some cases not > so old, seems to get displaced to make room for the new, and a few months > later I have to learn it over again - my brain is apparently full, but isn't > on FIFO > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From ggt667 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 02:12:06 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Wed Feb 18 02:12:09 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] FileMaker custom submenues Message-ID: I would like to add a shortcut to Define Custom Functions... CMD+OPT+D or similar Anyone got a clue how to do this? Myself I am not even able to reach the submenu from the FileMaker GUI tia, ggt From jsfmp at earthlink.net Wed Feb 18 09:59:41 2009 From: jsfmp at earthlink.net (Joel Shapiro) Date: Wed Feb 18 09:59:44 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] FileMaker custom submenues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey ggt First, you need FMPAdvanced for Custom Functions. It should be under File>>Manage (or File>>Define in older versions). If you're on a Mac, you can create a Keyboard Shortcut through System Preferences: SysPrefs >> Keyboard & Mouse >> Keyboard Shortcuts Then click the + symbol, select your version of FMPA, enter "Custom Functions..." (must be an exact menu name) and enter your keyboard shortcut. If you have FMPA open, you'll need to quit and relaunch. HTH, -Joel On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > I would like to add a shortcut to Define Custom Functions... CMD+OPT+D > or similar > > Anyone got a clue how to do this? > > Myself I am not even able to reach the submenu from the FileMaker GUI > > tia, > ggt > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From ggt667 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 10:14:19 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Wed Feb 18 10:14:22 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [OT] FileMaker custom submenues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am aware of that System Preferences thing, however I would like to make a developer menu with shortcuts for Define Custom functions... I have made today 3 neat custom functions for exporting repeating fields for the purpose of reimport to slave file, but I have to test these functions fairly frequently. ggt 2009/2/18, Joel Shapiro : > Hey ggt > > First, you need FMPAdvanced for Custom Functions. It should be under > File>>Manage (or File>>Define in older versions). > > If you're on a Mac, you can create a Keyboard Shortcut through System > Preferences: > > SysPrefs >> Keyboard & Mouse >> Keyboard Shortcuts > > Then click the + symbol, select your version of FMPA, enter "Custom > Functions..." (must be an exact menu name) and enter your keyboard shortcut. > > If you have FMPA open, you'll need to quit and relaunch. > > HTH, > -Joel > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > > > > > I would like to add a shortcut to Define Custom Functions... CMD+OPT+D > > or similar > > > > Anyone got a clue how to do this? > > > > Myself I am not even able to reach the submenu from the FileMaker GUI > > > > tia, > > ggt > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Wed Feb 18 10:28:34 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Wed Feb 18 10:28:36 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View Message-ID: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list (and if so, where would be a better place). Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad knowledge. I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically prints in a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the correct media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for the original. The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is not getting used. Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having problems with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks great. IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no surprise there. Thanks for any and all suggestions. -- --Karstyn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090218/d598543a/attachment.html From dbengston at tds.net Wed Feb 18 10:45:17 2009 From: dbengston at tds.net (Dale Bengston) Date: Wed Feb 18 10:45:22 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> Hi Karstyn, Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? Thanks, Dale On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list (and > if so, where would be a better place). > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad > knowledge. > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically > prints in a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that > each has the correct media type specified, 'print' for my new style > sheet and 'screen' for the original. > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is > not getting used. > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having > problems with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet > manually it looks great. > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no > surprise there. > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > -- > --Karstyn > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have made sure that each has the correct > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for the > original. > > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is not > getting used. > > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having problems > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks > great. > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no surprise > there. > > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > > > -- > > --Karstyn > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Wed Feb 18 10:57:32 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Wed Feb 18 10:57:34 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> Message-ID: <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dale - --Karstyn 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > Hi Karstyn, > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? > > Thanks, > Dale > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list (and if >> so, where would be a better place). >> Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad knowledge. >> >> I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically prints in a >> more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the correct >> media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for the >> original. >> >> The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is not >> getting used. >> >> Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having problems >> with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks >> great. >> IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no surprise >> there. >> >> Thanks for any and all suggestions. >> >> -- >> --Karstyn >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090218/f72b2735/attachment.html From ggt667 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 11:01:32 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Wed Feb 18 11:01:35 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It looks better on pastebin... ggt 2009/2/18, Karstyn McCoy : > Hi Dale - > > href="css/styles_large.css" media="screen" > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> > href="css/styles_print.css" media="print" > title="print" charset="utf-8"> > > --Karstyn > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > Hi Karstyn, > > > > > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? > > > > Thanks, > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list (and if > so, where would be a better place). > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad > knowledge. > > > > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically prints in > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the correct > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for the > original. > > > > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is not > getting used. > > > > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having problems > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks > great. > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no surprise > there. > > > > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > > > > > -- > > > --Karstyn > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Wed Feb 18 11:02:09 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Wed Feb 18 11:02:11 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> Message-ID: <898d01b70902181002g75c12422q9dc417c91b4c998e@mail.gmail.com> Pastebin looks interesting - http://pastebin.com/mfb8b341 On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > Please use pastebin.com for that purpose > > 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : > > Hi Karstyn, > > > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? > > > > Thanks, > > Dale > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list (and if > > so, where would be a better place). > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad > knowledge. > > > > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically prints > in a > > more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the correct > > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for the > > original. > > > > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is not > > getting used. > > > > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having problems > > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks > > great. > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no surprise > > there. > > > > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > > > > > -- > > > --Karstyn > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 1582 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090218/79cc4a03/smime-0001.bin From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Wed Feb 18 12:59:00 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Wed Feb 18 12:59:02 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> Message-ID: <898d01b70902181159u71eef2aaqf83f0e7a98781f34@mail.gmail.com> Thanks dale I had thought the same but the code is expanding correctly --Karstyn 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What happens if you > change you view source in the page after it's drawn? > Dale > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > Hi Dale - > > href="css/styles_large.css" media="screen" title="screen" > charset="utf-8"> > href="css/styles_print.css" media="print" title="print" > charset="utf-8"> > > --Karstyn > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > >> Hi Karstyn, >> >> Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? >> >> Thanks, >> Dale >> >> >> >> On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >> >> Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list (and if >>> so, where would be a better place). >>> Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad >>> knowledge. >>> >>> I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically prints in >>> a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the correct >>> media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for the >>> original. >>> >>> The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is not >>> getting used. >>> >>> Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having problems >>> with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks >>> great. >>> IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no surprise >>> there. >>> >>> Thanks for any and all suggestions. >>> >>> -- >>> --Karstyn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090218/e971888e/attachment.html From ggt667 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 13:00:42 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Wed Feb 18 13:00:45 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> Message-ID: What does your rendered output look like? http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac ggt 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What happens if you > change you view source in the page after it's drawn? > > Dale > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > Hi Dale - > > href="css/styles_large.css" media="screen" > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> > href="css/styles_print.css" media="print" > title="print" charset="utf-8"> > > --Karstyn > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > Hi Karstyn, > > > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? > > > > Thanks, > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list (and if > so, where would be a better place). > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad > knowledge. > > > > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically prints in > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the correct > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for the > original. > > > > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is not > getting used. > > > > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having problems > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks > great. > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no surprise > there. > > > > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > > > > > -- > > > --Karstyn > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Wed Feb 18 13:12:00 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Wed Feb 18 13:12:04 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> Message-ID: <898d01b70902181212w486faa4fmc9068708a681bff3@mail.gmail.com> code does seem to be rendering fine: http://pastebin.com/d5d959beb On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > What does your rendered output look like? > > http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac > > ggt > > 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : > > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What happens if you > > change when > > you view source in the page after it's drawn? > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > Hi Dale - > > > > > href="css/styles_large.css" media="screen" > > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> > > > href="css/styles_print.css" media="print" > > title="print" charset="utf-8"> > > > > --Karstyn > > > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > > Hi Karstyn, > > > > > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list (and > if > > so, where would be a better place). > > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically prints > in > > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the > correct > > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for the > > original. > > > > > > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is > not > > getting used. > > > > > > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having > problems > > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks > > great. > > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no > surprise > > there. > > > > > > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > --Karstyn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > -- --Karstyn McCoy FileMaker 8/9 Certified The Support Group 400 So. 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 1582 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090218/168706fb/smime-0001.bin From ggt667 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 14:22:51 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Wed Feb 18 14:22:54 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> <898d01b70902181212w486faa4fmc9068708a681bff3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: please post your css file on pastebin at least 5 first and 5 last lines. ggt 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : > I know this is stating the obvious, but the styles_print.css file is located > in the right place? Does it have any stray characters or mal-formed style > references that might cause it to fail on load? Are the permissions set > properly on the file? > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > code does seem to be rendering fine: > http://pastebin.com/d5d959beb > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen > wrote: > > > What does your rendered output look like? > > > > http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac > > > > ggt > > > > 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What happens if > you > > > change when > > > you view source in the page after it's drawn? > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > Hi Dale - > > > > > > > > href="css/styles_large.css" > media="screen" > > > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> > > > > > href="css/styles_print.css" > media="print" > > > title="print" charset="utf-8"> > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > > > Hi Karstyn, > > > > > > > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list (and > if > > > so, where would be a better place). > > > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically > prints in > > > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the > correct > > > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for > the > > > original. > > > > > > > > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is > not > > > getting used. > > > > > > > > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having > problems > > > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks > > > great. > > > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no > surprise > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > -- > --Karstyn McCoy > FileMaker 8/9 Certified > The Support Group > 400 So. El Camino Real #425 > San Mateo, CA 94402 > 650 685-4300 x213 > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Wed Feb 18 14:44:54 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Wed Feb 18 14:45:35 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> <898d01b70902181212w486faa4fmc9068708a681bff3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <898d01b70902181344y3e092395pa481c2159b70bb8b@mail.gmail.com> I'd don't have a problem verifying what should be obvious! Yes, styles_print.css is in the correct folder. No stray characters that I can find. I have to assume permissions are correct - I have to upload to an FTP site and other pages uploaded have worked correctly. --Karstyn 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > I know this is stating the obvious, but the styles_print.css file is > located in the right place? Does it have any stray characters or mal-formed > style references that might cause it to fail on load? Are the permissions > set properly on the file? > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > code does seem to be rendering fine: > http://pastebin.com/d5d959beb > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen < > ggt667@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What does your rendered output look like? >> >> http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : >> > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What happens if >> you >> > change > when >> > you view source in the page after it's drawn? >> > >> > Dale >> > >> > >> > >> > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >> > Hi Dale - >> > >> > > > href="css/styles_large.css" media="screen" >> > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> >> > > > href="css/styles_print.css" media="print" >> > title="print" charset="utf-8"> >> > >> > --Karstyn >> > >> > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston >> > > Hi Karstyn, >> > > >> > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Dale >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list (and >> if >> > so, where would be a better place). >> > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad >> > knowledge. >> > > > >> > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically >> prints in >> > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the >> correct >> > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for >> the >> > original. >> > > > >> > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is >> not >> > getting used. >> > > > >> > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having >> problems >> > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks >> > great. >> > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no >> surprise >> > there. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > --Karstyn >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > FX.php_List mailing list >> > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > FX.php_List mailing list >> > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > FX.php_List mailing list >> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > FX.php_List mailing list >> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090218/2de622d3/attachment.html From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Wed Feb 18 14:45:54 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Wed Feb 18 14:46:12 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> <898d01b70902181212w486faa4fmc9068708a681bff3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <898d01b70902181345w17f7c581n5218f990f95530ee@mail.gmail.com> entire css: http://pastebin.com/d2b3c6c48 --Karstyn On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > please post your css file on pastebin at least 5 first and 5 last lines. > > ggt > > 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : > > I know this is stating the obvious, but the styles_print.css file is > located > > in the right place? Does it have any stray characters or mal-formed style > > references that might cause it to fail on load? Are the permissions set > > properly on the file? > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > code does seem to be rendering fine: > > http://pastebin.com/d5d959beb > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen > > wrote: > > > > > What does your rendered output look like? > > > > > > http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac > > > > > > ggt > > > > > > 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What happens if > > you > > > > change like > > when > > > > you view source in the page after it's drawn? > > > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > Hi Dale - > > > > > > > > > > > href="css/styles_large.css" > > media="screen" > > > > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> > > > > > > > href="css/styles_print.css" > > media="print" > > > > title="print" charset="utf-8"> > > > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > > > > Hi Karstyn, > > > > > > > > > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list > (and > > if > > > > so, where would be a better place). > > > > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically > > prints in > > > > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the > > correct > > > > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for > > the > > > > original. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet > is > > not > > > > getting used. > > > > > > > > > > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having > > problems > > > > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it > looks > > > > great. > > > > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no > > surprise > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --Karstyn McCoy > > FileMaker 8/9 Certified > > The Support Group > > 400 So. 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URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090218/19424e36/attachment-0001.html From jsfmp at earthlink.net Wed Feb 18 15:20:56 2009 From: jsfmp at earthlink.net (Joel Shapiro) Date: Wed Feb 18 15:21:00 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: <898d01b70902181344y3e092395pa481c2159b70bb8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> <898d01b70902181212w486faa4fmc9068708a681bff3@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181344y3e092395pa481c2159b70bb8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Karstyn Few things to check: - can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? - if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links do you see the *print* css on-screen? - could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have the correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than xxx.triple8.net)? Also, is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens after it: base_url() ? -Joel On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > I'd don't have a problem verifying what should be obvious! > > Yes, styles_print.css is in the correct folder. > No stray characters that I can find. > I have to assume permissions are correct - I have to upload to an > FTP site and other pages uploaded have worked correctly. > > --Karstyn > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > I know this is stating the obvious, but the styles_print.css file > is located in the right place? Does it have any stray characters or > mal-formed style references that might cause it to fail on load? > Are the permissions set properly on the file? > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > >> code does seem to be rendering fine: >> http://pastebin.com/d5d959beb >> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen >> wrote: >> What does your rendered output look like? >> >> http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : >> > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What >> happens if you >> > change > look like when >> > you view source in the page after it's drawn? >> > >> > Dale >> > >> > >> > >> > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >> > Hi Dale - >> > >> > > > href="css/styles_large.css" media="screen" >> > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> >> > > > href="css/styles_print.css" media="print" >> > title="print" charset="utf-8"> >> > >> > --Karstyn >> > >> > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston >> > > Hi Karstyn, >> > > >> > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Dale >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this >> list (and if >> > so, where would be a better place). >> > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad >> > knowledge. >> > > > >> > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it >> dynamically prints in >> > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has >> the correct >> > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and >> 'screen' for the >> > original. >> > > > >> > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style >> sheet is not >> > getting used. >> > > > >> > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox >> having problems >> > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually >> it looks >> > great. >> > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - >> no surprise >> > there. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > --Karstyn >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > FX.php_List mailing list >> > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > FX.php_List mailing list >> > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > FX.php_List mailing list >> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > FX.php_List mailing list >> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Wed Feb 18 16:02:11 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Wed Feb 18 16:02:13 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> <898d01b70902181212w486faa4fmc9068708a681bff3@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181344y3e092395pa481c2159b70bb8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <898d01b70902181502r45c41490j7efe86da4d26ac73@mail.gmail.com> Hey Joel, --- can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? < xxxx.triple8.net/css/styles_print.css> Yes --- could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have the correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than xxx.triple8.net)? No - only one server involved --- is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens after it: base_url() ? I did not write it, I'm tweaking a site written by others using the Codeigniter framework. The function is working in a lot of places, including this page. and now --- if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links do you see the *print* css on-screen? NO!! the page looks unstyled - not sure why that would be, but definitely points to a problem somewhere --Karstyn On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Joel Shapiro wrote: > Hi Karstyn > > Few things to check: > > - can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? < > xxxx.triple8.net/css/styles_print.css> > - if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links do you > see the *print* css on-screen? > - could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have the > correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than > xxx.triple8.net)? > > Also, is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens after > it: base_url() ? > > > -Joel > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > I'd don't have a problem verifying what should be obvious! >> >> Yes, styles_print.css is in the correct folder. >> No stray characters that I can find. >> I have to assume permissions are correct - I have to upload to an FTP site >> and other pages uploaded have worked correctly. >> >> --Karstyn >> >> 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston >> I know this is stating the obvious, but the styles_print.css file is >> located in the right place? Does it have any stray characters or mal-formed >> style references that might cause it to fail on load? Are the permissions >> set properly on the file? >> >> >> On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >> >> code does seem to be rendering fine: >>> http://pastebin.com/d5d959beb >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen < >>> ggt667@gmail.com> wrote: >>> What does your rendered output look like? >>> >>> http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac >>> >>> ggt >>> >>> 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : >>> > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What happens if >>> you >>> > change >> when >>> > you view source in the page after it's drawn? >>> > >>> > Dale >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >>> > Hi Dale - >>> > >>> > >> > href="css/styles_large.css" media="screen" >>> > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> >>> > >> > href="css/styles_print.css" media="print" >>> > title="print" charset="utf-8"> >>> > >>> > --Karstyn >>> > >>> > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston >>> > > Hi Karstyn, >>> > > >>> > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? >>> > > >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > Dale >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list >>> (and if >>> > so, where would be a better place). >>> > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad >>> > knowledge. >>> > > > >>> > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically >>> prints in >>> > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the >>> correct >>> > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for >>> the >>> > original. >>> > > > >>> > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet is >>> not >>> > getting used. >>> > > > >>> > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having >>> problems >>> > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it looks >>> > great. >>> > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no >>> surprise >>> > there. >>> > > > >>> > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > --Karstyn >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > FX.php_List mailing list >>> > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > FX.php_List mailing list >>> > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > FX.php_List mailing list >>> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > FX.php_List mailing list >>> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090218/011988e2/attachment.html From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Wed Feb 18 16:11:29 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Wed Feb 18 16:11:33 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: <898d01b70902181502r45c41490j7efe86da4d26ac73@mail.gmail.com> References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <0F16ECF5-DD0A-4A8C-B3A2-9CF04B5200A6@tds.net> <898d01b70902180957t70df09dib0b72dccc18dce3b@mail.gmail.com> <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> <898d01b70902181212w486faa4fmc9068708a681bff3@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181344y3e092395pa481c2159b70bb8b@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181502r45c41490j7efe86da4d26ac73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <898d01b70902181511m286d87b9q2bf34254865b4491@mail.gmail.com> I may have solved it - some more testing will tell for sure. Looks like it was the 'title=' tag - I removed that from both style sheet links and it seems to be working correctly. Not sure why that would make such a difference, but it seems to. Thanks for all the help! --Karstyn On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > Hey Joel, > > --- can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? < > xxxx.triple8.net/css/styles_print.css> > Yes > > --- could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have the > correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than > xxx.triple8.net)? > No - only one server involved > > --- is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens after it: > base_url() ? > I did not write it, I'm tweaking a site written by others using the > Codeigniter framework. The function is working in a lot of places, including > this page. > > and now > --- if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links do you > see the *print* css on-screen? > NO!! the page looks unstyled - not sure why that would be, but definitely > points to a problem somewhere > > --Karstyn > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Joel Shapiro wrote: > >> Hi Karstyn >> >> Few things to check: >> >> - can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? < >> xxxx.triple8.net/css/styles_print.css> >> - if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links do you >> see the *print* css on-screen? >> - could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have the >> correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than >> xxx.triple8.net)? >> >> Also, is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens after >> it: base_url() ? >> >> >> -Joel >> >> >> >> On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >> >> I'd don't have a problem verifying what should be obvious! >>> >>> Yes, styles_print.css is in the correct folder. >>> No stray characters that I can find. >>> I have to assume permissions are correct - I have to upload to an FTP >>> site and other pages uploaded have worked correctly. >>> >>> --Karstyn >>> >>> 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston >>> I know this is stating the obvious, but the styles_print.css file is >>> located in the right place? Does it have any stray characters or mal-formed >>> style references that might cause it to fail on load? Are the permissions >>> set properly on the file? >>> >>> >>> On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >>> >>> code does seem to be rendering fine: >>>> http://pastebin.com/d5d959beb >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen < >>>> ggt667@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> What does your rendered output look like? >>>> >>>> http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac >>>> >>>> ggt >>>> >>>> 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : >>>> > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What happens if >>>> you >>>> > change >>> when >>>> > you view source in the page after it's drawn? >>>> > >>>> > Dale >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >>>> > Hi Dale - >>>> > >>>> > >>> > href="css/styles_large.css" media="screen" >>>> > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> >>>> > >>> > href="css/styles_print.css" media="print" >>>> > title="print" charset="utf-8"> >>>> > >>>> > --Karstyn >>>> > >>>> > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston >>>> > > Hi Karstyn, >>>> > > >>>> > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? >>>> > > >>>> > > Thanks, >>>> > > Dale >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list >>>> (and if >>>> > so, where would be a better place). >>>> > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad >>>> > knowledge. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically >>>> prints in >>>> > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the >>>> correct >>>> > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for >>>> the >>>> > original. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet >>>> is not >>>> > getting used. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having >>>> problems >>>> > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it >>>> looks >>>> > great. >>>> > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no >>>> surprise >>>> > there. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > -- >>>> > > > --Karstyn >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > > FX.php_List mailing list >>>> > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > FX.php_List mailing list >>>> > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > FX.php_List mailing list >>>> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > FX.php_List mailing list >>>> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 1582 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090218/55c6cb6a/smime.bin From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Wed Feb 18 17:20:58 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Wed Feb 18 17:21:02 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: <7A643C8D-6722-4666-A44A-E026FED098B1@tds.net> References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <55C62BF7-896D-4D9B-8ED8-72AE9742ECE0@tds.net> <898d01b70902181212w486faa4fmc9068708a681bff3@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181344y3e092395pa481c2159b70bb8b@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181502r45c41490j7efe86da4d26ac73@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181511m286d87b9q2bf34254865b4491@mail.gmail.com> <7A643C8D-6722-4666-A44A-E026FED098B1@tds.net> Message-ID: <898d01b70902181620v5c3611actcb1656d43d6e0774@mail.gmail.com> If this project is anything to go by, I'd say it's not! Not sure how that was introduced, but I'm fairly certain it was there before I started to work on the project, but I think it was blank, i.e target='' I probably 'helped' by adding values. --Karstyn 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > I don't think title is supported by tags. I could be wrong about > that.... > Dale > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > I may have solved it - some more testing will tell for sure. > > Looks like it was the 'title=' tag - I removed that from both style sheet > links and it seems to be working correctly. Not sure why that would make > such a difference, but it seems to. > > Thanks for all the help! > > --Karstyn > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > >> Hey Joel, >> >> --- can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? < >> xxxx.triple8.net/css/styles_print.css> >> Yes >> >> --- could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have the >> correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than >> xxx.triple8.net)? >> No - only one server involved >> >> --- is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens after it: >> base_url() ? >> I did not write it, I'm tweaking a site written by others using the >> Codeigniter framework. The function is working in a lot of places, including >> this page. >> >> and now >> --- if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links do you >> see the *print* css on-screen? >> NO!! the page looks unstyled - not sure why that would be, but definitely >> points to a problem somewhere >> >> --Karstyn >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Joel Shapiro wrote: >> >>> Hi Karstyn >>> >>> Few things to check: >>> >>> - can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? < >>> xxxx.triple8.net/css/styles_print.css> >>> - if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links do you >>> see the *print* css on-screen? >>> - could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have the >>> correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than >>> xxx.triple8.net)? >>> >>> Also, is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens after >>> it: base_url() ? >>> >>> >>> -Joel >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >>> >>> I'd don't have a problem verifying what should be obvious! >>>> >>>> Yes, styles_print.css is in the correct folder. >>>> No stray characters that I can find. >>>> I have to assume permissions are correct - I have to upload to an FTP >>>> site and other pages uploaded have worked correctly. >>>> >>>> --Karstyn >>>> >>>> 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston >>>> I know this is stating the obvious, but the styles_print.css file is >>>> located in the right place? Does it have any stray characters or mal-formed >>>> style references that might cause it to fail on load? Are the permissions >>>> set properly on the file? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >>>> >>>> code does seem to be rendering fine: >>>>> http://pastebin.com/d5d959beb >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen < >>>>> ggt667@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> What does your rendered output look like? >>>>> >>>>> http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac >>>>> >>>>> ggt >>>>> >>>>> 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : >>>>> > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What happens if >>>>> you >>>>> > change >>>> like when >>>>> > you view source in the page after it's drawn? >>>>> > >>>>> > Dale >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >>>>> > Hi Dale - >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > href="css/styles_large.css" media="screen" >>>>> > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> >>>>> > >>>> > href="css/styles_print.css" media="print" >>>>> > title="print" charset="utf-8"> >>>>> > >>>>> > --Karstyn >>>>> > >>>>> > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston >>>>> > > Hi Karstyn, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Thanks, >>>>> > > Dale >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this list >>>>> (and if >>>>> > so, where would be a better place). >>>>> > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good broad >>>>> > knowledge. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it dynamically >>>>> prints in >>>>> > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has the >>>>> correct >>>>> > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and 'screen' for >>>>> the >>>>> > original. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style sheet >>>>> is not >>>>> > getting used. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox having >>>>> problems >>>>> > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually it >>>>> looks >>>>> > great. >>>>> > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - no >>>>> surprise >>>>> > there. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > -- >>>>> > > > --Karstyn >>>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > > FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Did you clear the cache and force reload? ggt 2009/2/19, Karstyn McCoy : > If this project is anything to go by, I'd say it's not! > > Not sure how that was introduced, but I'm fairly certain it was there before > I started to work on the project, but I think it was blank, i.e target='' > I probably 'helped' by adding values. > > > --Karstyn > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > > > I don't think title is supported by tags. I could be wrong about > that.... > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > I may have solved it - some more testing will tell for sure. > > > > Looks like it was the 'title=' tag - I removed that from both style sheet > links and it seems to be working correctly. Not sure why that would make > such a difference, but it seems to. > > > > Thanks for all the help! > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Karstyn McCoy > wrote: > > > > > Hey Joel, > > > > > > --- can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? > > > > Yes > > > > > > --- could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have > the correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than > xxx.triple8.net)? > > > No - only one server involved > > > > > > --- is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens after > it: base_url() ? > > > I did not write it, I'm tweaking a site written by others using the > Codeigniter framework. The function is working in a lot of places, including > this page. > > > > > > and now > > > --- if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links do > you see the *print* css on-screen? > > > NO!! the page looks unstyled - not sure why that would be, but > definitely points to a problem somewhere > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Joel Shapiro > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Karstyn > > > > > > > > Few things to check: > > > > > > > > - can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? > > > > > - if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links do > you see the *print* css on-screen? > > > > - could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have > the correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than > xxx.triple8.net)? > > > > > > > > Also, is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens > after it: base_url() ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Joel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd don't have a problem verifying what should be obvious! > > > > > > > > > > Yes, styles_print.css is in the correct folder. > > > > > No stray characters that I can find. > > > > > I have to assume permissions are correct - I have to upload to an > FTP site and other pages uploaded have worked correctly. > > > > > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > > > > I know this is stating the obvious, but the styles_print.css file is > located in the right place? Does it have any stray characters or mal-formed > style references that might cause it to fail on load? Are the permissions > set properly on the file? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code does seem to be rendering fine: > > > > > > http://pastebin.com/d5d959beb > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen > wrote: > > > > > > What does your rendered output look like? > > > > > > > > > > > > http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac > > > > > > > > > > > > ggt > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : > > > > > > > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What > happens if you > > > > > > > change look like when > > > > > > > you view source in the page after it's drawn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Dale - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="css/styles_large.css" > media="screen" > > > > > > > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="css/styles_print.css" > media="print" > > > > > > > title="print" charset="utf-8"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > > > > > > > Hi Karstyn, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for this > list (and if > > > > > > > so, where would be a better place). > > > > > > > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good > broad > > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it > dynamically prints in > > > > > > > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each has > the correct > > > > > > > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and > 'screen' for the > > > > > > > original. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print style > sheet is not > > > > > > > getting used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox > having problems > > > > > > > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet manually > it looks > > > > > > > great. > > > > > > > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit - > no surprise > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From kmccoy at supportgroup.com Thu Feb 19 08:01:50 2009 From: kmccoy at supportgroup.com (Karstyn McCoy) Date: Thu Feb 19 08:01:58 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] [off] CSS Print View In-Reply-To: References: <898d01b70902180928v390c7b31m8ea6683f7e2c7bae@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181212w486faa4fmc9068708a681bff3@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181344y3e092395pa481c2159b70bb8b@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181502r45c41490j7efe86da4d26ac73@mail.gmail.com> <898d01b70902181511m286d87b9q2bf34254865b4491@mail.gmail.com> <7A643C8D-6722-4666-A44A-E026FED098B1@tds.net> <898d01b70902181620v5c3611actcb1656d43d6e0774@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <898d01b70902190701h7f78878dr3b059a96859a0f5e@mail.gmail.com> My main testing was using Firefox on Win, but after it started working I also tested with IE and Safari, unfortunately all on Win. I always test with cache disabled --Karstyn On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > Which browser? Did you clear the cache and force reload? > > ggt > > 2009/2/19, Karstyn McCoy : > > If this project is anything to go by, I'd say it's not! > > > > Not sure how that was introduced, but I'm fairly certain it was there > before > > I started to work on the project, but I think it was blank, i.e target='' > > I probably 'helped' by adding values. > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > > > > > I don't think title is supported by tags. I could be wrong about > > that.... > > > > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > I may have solved it - some more testing will tell for sure. > > > > > > Looks like it was the 'title=' tag - I removed that from both style > sheet > > links and it seems to be working correctly. Not sure why that would make > > such a difference, but it seems to. > > > > > > Thanks for all the help! > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Karstyn McCoy < > kmccoy@supportgroup.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Joel, > > > > > > > > --- can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? > > > > > > Yes > > > > > > > > --- could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have > > the correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than > > xxx.triple8.net)? > > > > No - only one server involved > > > > > > > > --- is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens > after > > it: base_url() ? > > > > I did not write it, I'm tweaking a site written by others using the > > Codeigniter framework. The function is working in a lot of places, > including > > this page. > > > > > > > > and now > > > > --- if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links > do > > you see the *print* css on-screen? > > > > NO!! the page looks unstyled - not sure why that would be, but > > definitely points to a problem somewhere > > > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Joel Shapiro > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Karstyn > > > > > > > > > > Few things to check: > > > > > > > > > > - can you load the print.css file directly in the browser? > > > > > > > - if you switch "screen" and "print" in your two stylesheet links > do > > you see the *print* css on-screen? > > > > > - could you be testing on a development server that does *not* have > > the correct print.css file (i.e. in which your base_url is different than > > xxx.triple8.net)? > > > > > > > > > > Also, is base_url a function you've written? Why are there parens > > after it: base_url() ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Joel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd don't have a problem verifying what should be obvious! > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, styles_print.css is in the correct folder. > > > > > > No stray characters that I can find. > > > > > > I have to assume permissions are correct - I have to upload to an > > FTP site and other pages uploaded have worked correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > > > > > I know this is stating the obvious, but the styles_print.css file > is > > located in the right place? Does it have any stray characters or > mal-formed > > style references that might cause it to fail on load? Are the permissions > > set properly on the file? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code does seem to be rendering fine: > > > > > > > http://pastebin.com/d5d959beb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen > > wrote: > > > > > > > What does your rendered output look like? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://pastebin.com/m161a30ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ggt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/18, Dale Bengston : > > > > > > > > Hmmm, I am going to go for short tags as the problem. What > > happens if you > > > > > > > > change > look like when > > > > > > > > you view source in the page after it's drawn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Dale - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="css/styles_large.css" > > media="screen" > > > > > > > > title="screen" charset="utf-8"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="css/styles_print.css" > > media="print" > > > > > > > > title="print" charset="utf-8"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/18 Dale Bengston > > > > > > > > > Hi Karstyn, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post your html code for the style sheet references? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Karstyn McCoy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this is toooo far off topic for > this > > list (and if > > > > > > > > so, where would be a better place). > > > > > > > > > > Just looks like there are a lot of list members with good > > broad > > > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've added a Print style sheet to a web page so it > > dynamically prints in > > > > > > > > a more printer friendly fashion. I have made sure that each > has > > the correct > > > > > > > > media type specified, 'print' for my new style sheet and > > 'screen' for the > > > > > > > > original. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem comes in when trying to print, the print > style > > sheet is not > > > > > > > > getting used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Testing with Firefox 3 on Win - any one know of Firefox > > having problems > > > > > > > > with the 'media' tag? If I load the print style sheet > manually > > it looks > > > > > > > > great. > > > > > > > > > > IE does pull the print style sheet, but mangles it a bit > - > > no surprise > > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > --Karstyn > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090219/22b3cb9b/attachment-0001.html From jfunk at criticalsolution.com Thu Feb 19 08:30:07 2009 From: jfunk at criticalsolution.com (John Funk) Date: Thu Feb 19 08:30:11 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC Message-ID: I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number and a php file that finds the entered member and displays the member info. The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 test system and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server Advance 8 system (with iis) and the result does not work. But IWP does work so the config is good. This is the xml error I get: XML Parsing Error: no element found Location: http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Session s.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find Line Number 1, Column 1496: This is the XML result from the debug url: 01010Emma ErlerWinter2008 Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? I can send the php if required. Thanks John Funk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090219/d7fc14d9/attachment.html From chris at iViking.org Thu Feb 19 08:53:49 2009 From: chris at iViking.org (Chris Hansen) Date: Thu Feb 19 08:53:52 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A43A2C7-8158-48E1-8958-232BDA614632@iViking.org> John, Is that the entirety of the XML that you get? If so, there's the problem -- the XML isn't closed properly. My guess is that there's a character (possibly invisible) in there that is forbidden by XML. FileMaker has gotten increasingly good about handling this as versions have progressed, so it doesn't surprise me that an XML problem would crop up when you went backwards. Also, Windows tends to be worse about invisible characters, in my experience, so there's something of a double whammy here. So... the fix... you know in which record the problem is -- Record ID 102 -- and you know in which field (most likely) the problem lies since output died before it -- Skaters_Sessions::Testdata. Have a look in there and see what you find. HTH --Chris On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, John Funk wrote: > I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number > and a php file that finds the entered member and displays the member > info. > The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 > test system and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server Advance > 8 system (with iis) and the result does not work. But IWP does work > so the config is good. > > This is the xml error I get: > > XML Parsing Error: no element found > Location: http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Sessions.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find > Line Number 1, Column 1496: > > > This is the XML result from the debug url: > > FMPXMLRESULT PUBLIC "-//FMI//DTD FMPXMLRESULT//EN" "/fmi/xml/ > FMPXMLRESULT.dtd">0 NAME="FileMaker Web Publishing Engine" VERSION="8.0.2.65"/> DATEFORMAT="MM/dd/yyyy" LAYOUT="WEB_Skaters" NAME="RFSC > Sessions.fp7" RECORDS="77" TIMEFORMAT="HH:mm:ss"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="First" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="MI" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Last" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Sessions" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Season" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Year" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Season" > TYPE="TEXT"/> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SessionNumber" > TYPE="TEXT"/> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Testdata" TYPE="TEXT"/> FOUND="1">1010 COL>Emma COL>Erler COL>Winter2008 COL> > > Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? > I can send the php if required. > > > Thanks > John Funk > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Thu Feb 19 09:02:36 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:02:44 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC In-Reply-To: <7A43A2C7-8158-48E1-8958-232BDA614632@iViking.org> References: <7A43A2C7-8158-48E1-8958-232BDA614632@iViking.org> Message-ID: and as ggt will no doubt pop up to say, make sure everything is utf8 encoded ;-) Cheers Steve On 19 Feb 2009, at 15:53, Chris Hansen wrote: > John, > > Is that the entirety of the XML that you get? If so, there's the > problem -- the XML isn't closed properly. My guess is that there's > a character (possibly invisible) in there that is forbidden by XML. > FileMaker has gotten increasingly good about handling this as > versions have progressed, so it doesn't surprise me that an XML > problem would crop up when you went backwards. Also, Windows tends > to be worse about invisible characters, in my experience, so there's > something of a double whammy here. > > So... the fix... you know in which record the problem is -- Record > ID 102 -- and you know in which field (most likely) the problem lies > since output died before it -- Skaters_Sessions::Testdata. Have a > look in there and see what you find. > > HTH > > --Chris > > On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, John Funk wrote: > >> I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number >> and a php file that finds the entered member and displays the >> member info. >> The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 >> test system and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server >> Advance 8 system (with iis) and the result does not work. But IWP >> does work so the config is good. >> >> This is the xml error I get: >> >> XML Parsing Error: no element found >> Location: http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Sessions.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find >> Line Number 1, Column 1496: >> >> >> This is the XML result from the debug url: >> >> > FMPXMLRESULT PUBLIC "-//FMI//DTD FMPXMLRESULT//EN" "/fmi/xml/ >> FMPXMLRESULT.dtd">0> NAME="FileMaker Web Publishing Engine" VERSION="8.0.2.65"/ >> >> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="First" TYPE="TEXT"/>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="MI" TYPE="TEXT"/>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Last" TYPE="TEXT"/>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Sessions" TYPE="TEXT"/>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Season" TYPE="TEXT"/>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Year" TYPE="TEXT"/>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Season" >> TYPE="TEXT"/>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SessionNumber" >> TYPE="TEXT"/>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Testdata" TYPE="TEXT"/>> METADATA>> RECORDID="102">1010Emma> COL>Erler> COL>Winter> COL>2008 >> >> Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? >> I can send the php if required. >> >> >> Thanks >> John Funk >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090219/bcc18f52/attachment.html From ggt667 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 09:09:08 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:09:11 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC In-Reply-To: References: <7A43A2C7-8158-48E1-8958-232BDA614632@iViking.org> Message-ID: Thanks Steve, now I didn't have to :-p Where is character 1496 in that string? It would be easier to do %s/>^M< and reevaluate the XML document ggt 2009/2/19, Steve Winter : > and as ggt will no doubt pop up to say, make sure everything is utf8 encoded > ;-) > > Cheers > Steve > > > On 19 Feb 2009, at 15:53, Chris Hansen wrote: > > John, > > Is that the entirety of the XML that you get? If so, there's the problem -- > the XML isn't closed properly. My guess is that there's a character > (possibly invisible) in there that is forbidden by XML. FileMaker has > gotten increasingly good about handling this as versions have progressed, so > it doesn't surprise me that an XML problem would crop up when you went > backwards. Also, Windows tends to be worse about invisible characters, in > my experience, so there's something of a double whammy here. > > So... the fix... you know in which record the problem is -- Record ID 102 -- > and you know in which field (most likely) the problem lies since output died > before it -- Skaters_Sessions::Testdata. Have a look in there and see what > you find. > > HTH > > --Chris > > On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, John Funk wrote: > > I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number and a php > file that finds the entered member and displays the member info. > The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 test system > and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server Advance 8 system (with iis) > and the result does not work. But IWP does work so the config is good. > > This is the xml error I get: > > XML Parsing Error: no element found > Location: > http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Sessions.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find > Line Number 1, Column 1496: > > > This is the XML result from the debug url: > > PUBLIC "-//FMI//DTD FMPXMLRESULT//EN" > "/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.dtd"> xmlns="http://www.filemaker.com/fmpxmlresult">0 BUILD="11/14/2005" NAME="FileMaker Web Publishing Engine" > VERSION="8.0.2.65"/> NAME="RFSC Sessions.fp7" RECORDS="77" > TIMEFORMAT="HH:mm:ss"/> MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="First" TYPE="TEXT"/> NAME="MI" TYPE="TEXT"/> TYPE="TEXT"/> TYPE="TEXT"/> TYPE="TEXT"/> TYPE="TEXT"/> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Season" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SessionNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Testdata" > TYPE="TEXT"/> MODID="25" > RECORDID="102">1010EmmaErlerWinter2008 > > Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? > I can send the php if required. > > > Thanks > John Funk > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > Steve Winter > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From ggt667 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 09:11:00 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:11:04 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC In-Reply-To: References: <7A43A2C7-8158-48E1-8958-232BDA614632@iViking.org> Message-ID: 1496 is the last character I would search for ugly chars ggt 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > Thanks Steve, now I didn't have to :-p > > Where is character 1496 in that string? > > It would be easier to do %s/>^M< > > and reevaluate the XML document > > ggt > > 2009/2/19, Steve Winter : > > > and as ggt will no doubt pop up to say, make sure everything is utf8 encoded > > ;-) > > > > Cheers > > Steve > > > > > > On 19 Feb 2009, at 15:53, Chris Hansen wrote: > > > > John, > > > > Is that the entirety of the XML that you get? If so, there's the problem -- > > the XML isn't closed properly. My guess is that there's a character > > (possibly invisible) in there that is forbidden by XML. FileMaker has > > gotten increasingly good about handling this as versions have progressed, so > > it doesn't surprise me that an XML problem would crop up when you went > > backwards. Also, Windows tends to be worse about invisible characters, in > > my experience, so there's something of a double whammy here. > > > > So... the fix... you know in which record the problem is -- Record ID 102 -- > > and you know in which field (most likely) the problem lies since output died > > before it -- Skaters_Sessions::Testdata. Have a look in there and see what > > you find. > > > > HTH > > > > --Chris > > > > On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, John Funk wrote: > > > > I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number and a php > > file that finds the entered member and displays the member info. > > The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 test system > > and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server Advance 8 system (with iis) > > and the result does not work. But IWP does work so the config is good. > > > > This is the xml error I get: > > > > XML Parsing Error: no element found > > Location: > > http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Sessions.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find > > Line Number 1, Column 1496: > > > > > > This is the XML result from the debug url: > > > > > PUBLIC "-//FMI//DTD FMPXMLRESULT//EN" > > "/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.dtd"> > xmlns="http://www.filemaker.com/fmpxmlresult">0 > BUILD="11/14/2005" NAME="FileMaker Web Publishing Engine" > > VERSION="8.0.2.65"/> > NAME="RFSC Sessions.fp7" RECORDS="77" > > TIMEFORMAT="HH:mm:ss"/> > MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="First" TYPE="TEXT"/> > NAME="MI" TYPE="TEXT"/> > TYPE="TEXT"/> > TYPE="TEXT"/> > TYPE="TEXT"/> > TYPE="TEXT"/> > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Season" TYPE="TEXT"/> > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SessionNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Testdata" > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > MODID="25" > > RECORDID="102">1010EmmaErlerWinter2008 > > > > Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? > > I can send the php if required. > > > > > > Thanks > > John Funk > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > Steve Winter > > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > From ggt667 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 09:13:57 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:14:00 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC In-Reply-To: References: <7A43A2C7-8158-48E1-8958-232BDA614632@iViking.org> Message-ID: Hmm your output lacks som closing tags ggt 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > 1496 is the last character I would search for ugly chars > > ggt > > 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > > > Thanks Steve, now I didn't have to :-p > > > > Where is character 1496 in that string? > > > > It would be easier to do %s/>^M< > > > > and reevaluate the XML document > > > > ggt > > > > 2009/2/19, Steve Winter : > > > > > and as ggt will no doubt pop up to say, make sure everything is utf8 encoded > > > ;-) > > > > > > Cheers > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > On 19 Feb 2009, at 15:53, Chris Hansen wrote: > > > > > > John, > > > > > > Is that the entirety of the XML that you get? If so, there's the problem -- > > > the XML isn't closed properly. My guess is that there's a character > > > (possibly invisible) in there that is forbidden by XML. FileMaker has > > > gotten increasingly good about handling this as versions have progressed, so > > > it doesn't surprise me that an XML problem would crop up when you went > > > backwards. Also, Windows tends to be worse about invisible characters, in > > > my experience, so there's something of a double whammy here. > > > > > > So... the fix... you know in which record the problem is -- Record ID 102 -- > > > and you know in which field (most likely) the problem lies since output died > > > before it -- Skaters_Sessions::Testdata. Have a look in there and see what > > > you find. > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > --Chris > > > > > > On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, John Funk wrote: > > > > > > I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number and a php > > > file that finds the entered member and displays the member info. > > > The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 test system > > > and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server Advance 8 system (with iis) > > > and the result does not work. But IWP does work so the config is good. > > > > > > This is the xml error I get: > > > > > > XML Parsing Error: no element found > > > Location: > > > http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Sessions.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find > > > Line Number 1, Column 1496: > > > > > > > > > This is the XML result from the debug url: > > > > > > > > PUBLIC "-//FMI//DTD FMPXMLRESULT//EN" > > > "/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.dtd"> > > xmlns="http://www.filemaker.com/fmpxmlresult">0 > > BUILD="11/14/2005" NAME="FileMaker Web Publishing Engine" > > > VERSION="8.0.2.65"/> > > NAME="RFSC Sessions.fp7" RECORDS="77" > > > TIMEFORMAT="HH:mm:ss"/> > > MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="First" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > NAME="MI" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Season" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SessionNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Testdata" > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > MODID="25" > > > RECORDID="102">1010EmmaErlerWinter2008 > > > > > > Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? > > > I can send the php if required. > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > John Funk > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Winter > > > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > > > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > > > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > > > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > From ggt667 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 09:15:03 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:15:06 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC In-Reply-To: References: <7A43A2C7-8158-48E1-8958-232BDA614632@iViking.org> Message-ID: http://pastebin.com/m33ae3e5f 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > Hmm your output lacks som closing tags > > > ggt > > 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > > 1496 is the last character I would search for ugly chars > > > > ggt > > > > 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > > > > > Thanks Steve, now I didn't have to :-p > > > > > > Where is character 1496 in that string? > > > > > > It would be easier to do %s/>^M< > > > > > > and reevaluate the XML document > > > > > > ggt > > > > > > 2009/2/19, Steve Winter : > > > > > > > and as ggt will no doubt pop up to say, make sure everything is utf8 encoded > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Feb 2009, at 15:53, Chris Hansen wrote: > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > > > Is that the entirety of the XML that you get? If so, there's the problem -- > > > > the XML isn't closed properly. My guess is that there's a character > > > > (possibly invisible) in there that is forbidden by XML. FileMaker has > > > > gotten increasingly good about handling this as versions have progressed, so > > > > it doesn't surprise me that an XML problem would crop up when you went > > > > backwards. Also, Windows tends to be worse about invisible characters, in > > > > my experience, so there's something of a double whammy here. > > > > > > > > So... the fix... you know in which record the problem is -- Record ID 102 -- > > > > and you know in which field (most likely) the problem lies since output died > > > > before it -- Skaters_Sessions::Testdata. Have a look in there and see what > > > > you find. > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > --Chris > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, John Funk wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number and a php > > > > file that finds the entered member and displays the member info. > > > > The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 test system > > > > and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server Advance 8 system (with iis) > > > > and the result does not work. But IWP does work so the config is good. > > > > > > > > This is the xml error I get: > > > > > > > > XML Parsing Error: no element found > > > > Location: > > > > http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Sessions.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find > > > > Line Number 1, Column 1496: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the XML result from the debug url: > > > > > > > > > > > PUBLIC "-//FMI//DTD FMPXMLRESULT//EN" > > > > "/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.dtd"> > > > xmlns="http://www.filemaker.com/fmpxmlresult">0 > > > BUILD="11/14/2005" NAME="FileMaker Web Publishing Engine" > > > > VERSION="8.0.2.65"/> > > > NAME="RFSC Sessions.fp7" RECORDS="77" > > > > TIMEFORMAT="HH:mm:ss"/> > > > MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="First" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > NAME="MI" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Season" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SessionNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Testdata" > > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > MODID="25" > > > > RECORDID="102">1010EmmaErlerWinter2008 > > > > > > > > Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? > > > > I can send the php if required. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > John Funk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Winter > > > > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > > > > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > > > > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > > > > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From ggt667 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 09:16:09 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:16:12 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC In-Reply-To: References: <7A43A2C7-8158-48E1-8958-232BDA614632@iViking.org> Message-ID: Make sure you have FileMaker Server Advance 8.0v4r2 or whatever is latest FMSA version for 8 ggt 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > http://pastebin.com/m33ae3e5f > > > 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > > Hmm your output lacks som closing tags > > > > > > ggt > > > > 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > > > 1496 is the last character I would search for ugly chars > > > > > > ggt > > > > > > 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > > > > > > > Thanks Steve, now I didn't have to :-p > > > > > > > > Where is character 1496 in that string? > > > > > > > > It would be easier to do %s/>^M< > > > > > > > > and reevaluate the XML document > > > > > > > > ggt > > > > > > > > 2009/2/19, Steve Winter : > > > > > > > > > and as ggt will no doubt pop up to say, make sure everything is utf8 encoded > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Feb 2009, at 15:53, Chris Hansen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > > > > > Is that the entirety of the XML that you get? If so, there's the problem -- > > > > > the XML isn't closed properly. My guess is that there's a character > > > > > (possibly invisible) in there that is forbidden by XML. FileMaker has > > > > > gotten increasingly good about handling this as versions have progressed, so > > > > > it doesn't surprise me that an XML problem would crop up when you went > > > > > backwards. Also, Windows tends to be worse about invisible characters, in > > > > > my experience, so there's something of a double whammy here. > > > > > > > > > > So... the fix... you know in which record the problem is -- Record ID 102 -- > > > > > and you know in which field (most likely) the problem lies since output died > > > > > before it -- Skaters_Sessions::Testdata. Have a look in there and see what > > > > > you find. > > > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > > > --Chris > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, John Funk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number and a php > > > > > file that finds the entered member and displays the member info. > > > > > The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 test system > > > > > and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server Advance 8 system (with iis) > > > > > and the result does not work. But IWP does work so the config is good. > > > > > > > > > > This is the xml error I get: > > > > > > > > > > XML Parsing Error: no element found > > > > > Location: > > > > > http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Sessions.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find > > > > > Line Number 1, Column 1496: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the XML result from the debug url: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PUBLIC "-//FMI//DTD FMPXMLRESULT//EN" > > > > > "/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.dtd"> > > > > xmlns="http://www.filemaker.com/fmpxmlresult">0 > > > > BUILD="11/14/2005" NAME="FileMaker Web Publishing Engine" > > > > > VERSION="8.0.2.65"/> > > > > NAME="RFSC Sessions.fp7" RECORDS="77" > > > > > TIMEFORMAT="HH:mm:ss"/> > > > > MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="First" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > NAME="MI" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Season" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SessionNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" > > > > > NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Testdata" > > > > > TYPE="TEXT"/> > > > > MODID="25" > > > > > RECORDID="102">1010EmmaErlerWinter2008 > > > > > > > > > > Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? > > > > > I can send the php if required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > John Funk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Winter > > > > > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > > > > > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > > > > > 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way > > > > > Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > FX.php_List mailing list > > > > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > > > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jfunk at criticalsolution.com Thu Feb 19 09:26:14 2009 From: jfunk at criticalsolution.com (John Funk) Date: Thu Feb 19 09:26:18 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK this makes sense. I bet the copy of server was not updated. I will try this first and post my result. thanks On 2/19/09 10:16 AM, "Gjermund Gusland Thorsen" wrote: > Make sure you have FileMaker Server Advance 8.0v4r2 or whatever is > latest FMSA version for 8 > > ggt > > 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >> http://pastebin.com/m33ae3e5f >> >> >> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>> Hmm your output lacks som closing tags >>> >>> >>> ggt >>> >>> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>> 1496 is the last character I would search for ugly chars >>>> >>>> ggt >>>> >>>> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>> >>>>> Thanks Steve, now I didn't have to :-p >>>>> >>>>> Where is character 1496 in that string? >>>>> >>>>> It would be easier to do %s/>^M< >>>>> >>>>> and reevaluate the XML document >>>>> >>>>> ggt >>>>> >>>>> 2009/2/19, Steve Winter : >>>>> >>>>>> and as ggt will no doubt pop up to say, make sure everything is utf8 >>>>>> encoded >>>>>> ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 Feb 2009, at 15:53, Chris Hansen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that the entirety of the XML that you get? If so, there's the problem >>>>>> -- >>>>>> the XML isn't closed properly. My guess is that there's a character >>>>>> (possibly invisible) in there that is forbidden by XML. FileMaker has >>>>>> gotten increasingly good about handling this as versions have progressed, >>>>>> so >>>>>> it doesn't surprise me that an XML problem would crop up when you went >>>>>> backwards. Also, Windows tends to be worse about invisible characters, >>>>>> in >>>>>> my experience, so there's something of a double whammy here. >>>>>> >>>>>> So... the fix... you know in which record the problem is -- Record ID 102 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> and you know in which field (most likely) the problem lies since output >>>>>> died >>>>>> before it -- Skaters_Sessions::Testdata. Have a look in there and see >>>>>> what >>>>>> you find. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH >>>>>> >>>>>> --Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, John Funk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number and a >>>>>> php >>>>>> file that finds the entered member and displays the member info. >>>>>> The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 test >>>>>> system >>>>>> and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server Advance 8 system (with >>>>>> iis) >>>>>> and the result does not work. But IWP does work so the config is good. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the xml error I get: >>>>>> >>>>>> XML Parsing Error: no element found >>>>>> Location: >>>>>> http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Sess >>>>>> ions.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find >>>>>> Line Number 1, Column 1496: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the XML result from the debug url: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> FMPXMLRESULT >>>>>> PUBLIC "-//FMI//DTD FMPXMLRESULT//EN" >>>>>> "/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.dtd">>>>>> xmlns="http://www.filemaker.com/fmpxmlresult">0>>>>> ODUCT >>>>>> BUILD="11/14/2005" NAME="FileMaker Web Publishing Engine" >>>>>> VERSION="8.0.2.65"/>>>>>> LAYOUT="WEB_Skaters" >>>>>> NAME="RFSC Sessions.fp7" RECORDS="77" >>>>>> TIMEFORMAT="HH:mm:ss"/>>>>>> MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="First" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>> NAME="MI" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Season" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SessionNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Testdata" >>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>> MODID="25" >>>>>> RECORDID="102">1010Emma>>>>> OL>Erler>>>>> L>Winter2008>>>>> OL> >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? >>>>>> I can send the php if required. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> John Funk >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve Winter >>>>>> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >>>>>> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >>>>>> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >>>>>> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From jschwartz at exit445.com Sat Feb 21 15:38:18 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Sat Feb 21 15:42:45 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Use FMP Accts for CWP logins? Message-ID: In the past, I've always constructed dedicated User tables for use in user authentication (login) in my fx.php solutions. Now, I have a project where there are dozens of potential authorized users that already have FMP account (name and password). I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to use the existing FMP accounts in an fx.php login script, rather than recreate the data in a dedicated User table. How to do? J -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From william.downs at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 16:16:32 2009 From: william.downs at gmail.com (William Downs) Date: Sat Feb 21 16:16:37 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Use FMP Accts for CWP logins? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b77f2170902211516u7d7d0a0ag11869fa6bc6cc40@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jonathon, Just use the login details as the parameters in the FX instance -
Email Address:

Password:

Then on processing page $dbUser = $_POST['manEmail']; $dbPassword = $_POST['manPassword']; $medList=new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort,'FMPro7'); $medList->SetDBData($fmFile,'MedList',$groupSize); $medList->SetDBPassword($dbPassword,$dbUser); $medListResult=$medList->FMFindAll(); But perhaps I am not understanding you properly ? Kindest WIlliam On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > In the past, I've always constructed dedicated User tables for use in user > authentication (login) in my fx.php solutions. Now, I have a project where > there are dozens of potential authorized users that already have FMP account > (name and password). > > I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to use the existing FMP > accounts in an fx.php login script, rather than recreate the data in a > dedicated User table. > > How to do? > > J > > > -- > Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > jonathan@exit445.com > http://www.exit445.com > 415-370-5011 > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > -- William Downs Development and Support BD Databases Ltd From jschwartz at exit445.com Sat Feb 21 17:04:23 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Sat Feb 21 17:07:42 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Use FMP Accts for CWP logins? In-Reply-To: <3b77f2170902211516u7d7d0a0ag11869fa6bc6cc40@mail.gmail.com> References: <3b77f2170902211516u7d7d0a0ag11869fa6bc6cc40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks William, This one is making my head hurt..because there are two kinds of authentication here: 1) CWP Authentication, for the right to interact with the DB 2) User authentication, for the right to login to the fx.php web solution We all use the FMP Accounts and Privileges to establish the CWP Authentication. My question is whether we can use FMP Accounts and Privileges *again* to authenticate the user logging in a login script, so that a separate User table is not needed to hold the Username and Password. By the Way, I don't believe your example below will work. It has the form's email address POST value being submitted for the CWP "Account" value. Another observation, even if one were to try and use an FMP Accounts and Privileges Name/Password pair, fx.php throws an XML error if the the CWP authentication fails in the very likely event that a username and/or password is entered incorrectly. That's not good. This last observation might be the nail in coffin for this idea. Yes? No? Maybe? Jonathan At 11:16 PM +0000 2/21/09, William Downs wrote: >Hi Jonathon, > >Just use the login details as the parameters in the FX instance - > >
> Email Address:
>
> Password:
>
> value="Login"> >
> >Then on processing page > >$dbUser = $_POST['manEmail']; >$dbPassword = $_POST['manPassword']; > >$medList=new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort,'FMPro7'); >$medList->SetDBData($fmFile,'MedList',$groupSize); >$medList->SetDBPassword($dbPassword,$dbUser); > >$medListResult=$medList->FMFindAll(); > >But perhaps I am not understanding you properly ? > >Kindest > >WIlliam > >On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Schwartz > wrote: >> In the past, I've always constructed dedicated User tables for use in user >> authentication (login) in my fx.php solutions. Now, I have a project where >> there are dozens of potential authorized users that already have FMP account >> (name and password). >> >> I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to use the existing FMP >> accounts in an fx.php login script, rather than recreate the data in a >> dedicated User table. >> >> How to do? >> >> J >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan Schwartz >> Exit 445 Group >> jonathan@exit445.com >> http://www.exit445.com >> 415-370-5011 >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > > >-- >William Downs >Development and Support >BD Databases Ltd >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From headhoncho at customikesolutions.com Sat Feb 21 17:39:33 2009 From: headhoncho at customikesolutions.com (Head Honcho) Date: Sat Feb 21 17:39:55 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Use FMP Accts for CWP logins? In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902211516u7d7d0a0ag11869fa6bc6cc40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <305BB742-324D-43D1-82D6-E42829FD842B@customikesolutions.com> Hi Jonathan, A question. Do all the "authorised" users have CWP "authority"? If so, then if they are correctly authenticated then they can continue (you've already captured their credentials for use elsewhere if necessary). And you can trap for the incorrect authentication and send them back to the login screen to try again, just as you normally would. So instead of trapping for "not found" trap for "not authenticated" HTH. On 22/02/2009, at 11:04 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Thanks William, > > This one is making my head hurt..because there are two kinds of > authentication here: > > 1) CWP Authentication, for the right to interact with the DB > 2) User authentication, for the right to login to the fx.php web > solution > > We all use the FMP Accounts and Privileges to establish the CWP > Authentication. > > My question is whether we can use FMP Accounts and Privileges > *again* to authenticate the user logging in a login script, so that > a separate User table is not needed to hold the Username and Password. > > By the Way, I don't believe your example below will work. It has the > form's email address POST value being submitted for the CWP > "Account" value. > > Another observation, even if one were to try and use an FMP Accounts > and Privileges Name/Password pair, fx.php throws an XML error if the > the CWP authentication fails in the very likely event that a > username and/or password is entered incorrectly. That's not good. > > This last observation might be the nail in coffin for this idea. > > Yes? No? Maybe? > > Jonathan > > > At 11:16 PM +0000 2/21/09, William Downs wrote: >> Hi Jonathon, >> >> Just use the login details as the parameters in the FX instance - >> >>
>> Email Address:
>>
>> Password:
>> > input>
>> > value="Login"> >>
>> >> Then on processing page >> >> $dbUser = $_POST['manEmail']; >> $dbPassword = $_POST['manPassword']; >> >> $medList=new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort,'FMPro7'); >> $medList->SetDBData($fmFile,'MedList',$groupSize); >> $medList->SetDBPassword($dbPassword,$dbUser); >> >> $medListResult=$medList->FMFindAll(); >> >> But perhaps I am not understanding you properly ? >> >> Kindest >> >> WIlliam >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Schwartz >> wrote: >>> In the past, I've always constructed dedicated User tables for use >>> in user >>> authentication (login) in my fx.php solutions. Now, I have a >>> project where >>> there are dozens of potential authorized users that already have >>> FMP account >>> (name and password). >>> >>> I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to use the >>> existing FMP >>> accounts in an fx.php login script, rather than recreate the data >>> in a >>> dedicated User table. >>> >>> How to do? >>> >>> J >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jonathan Schwartz >>> Exit 445 Group >>> jonathan@exit445.com >>> http://www.exit445.com >>> 415-370-5011 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> William Downs >> Development and Support >> BD Databases Ltd >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > -- > Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > jonathan@exit445.com > http://www.exit445.com > 415-370-5011 > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > Regards Michael Ward -- Head Honcho CustoMike Solutions Member, FileMaker Business Alliance Member, FileMaker Technical Network FileMaker 7 Certified Developer FileMaker 8 Certified Developer FileMaker 9 Certified Developer 10 Wandoo Crt Wheelers Hill, 3150 ph 0414 562 501 headhoncho@customikesolutions.com From ggt667 at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 09:15:11 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Sun Feb 22 09:15:16 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Use FMP Accts for CWP logins? In-Reply-To: <305BB742-324D-43D1-82D6-E42829FD842B@customikesolutions.com> References: <3b77f2170902211516u7d7d0a0ag11869fa6bc6cc40@mail.gmail.com> <305BB742-324D-43D1-82D6-E42829FD842B@customikesolutions.com> Message-ID: It's simple, you just enable XML for all FM users that needs to access the database from CWP, then you let them use their own username and password for authentication on the database level. ggt 2009/2/22 Head Honcho : > Hi Jonathan, > > A question. > > Do all the "authorised" users have CWP "authority"? > > If so, then if they are correctly authenticated then they can continue > (you've already captured their credentials for use elsewhere if necessary). > > And you can trap for the incorrect authentication and send them back to the > login screen to try again, just as you normally would. So instead of > trapping for "not found" trap for "not authenticated" > > HTH. > > On 22/02/2009, at 11:04 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > >> Thanks William, >> >> This one is making my head hurt..because there are two kinds of >> authentication here: >> >> 1) CWP Authentication, for the right to interact with the DB >> 2) User authentication, for the right to login to the fx.php web solution >> >> We all use the FMP Accounts and Privileges to establish the CWP >> Authentication. >> >> My question is whether we can use FMP Accounts and Privileges *again* to >> authenticate the user logging in a login script, so that a separate User >> table is not needed to hold the Username and Password. >> >> By the Way, I don't believe your example below will work. It has the >> form's email address POST value being submitted for the CWP "Account" value. >> >> Another observation, even if one were to try and use an FMP Accounts and >> Privileges Name/Password pair, fx.php throws an XML error if the the CWP >> authentication fails in the very likely event that a username and/or >> password is entered incorrectly. That's not good. >> >> This last observation might be the nail in coffin for this idea. >> >> Yes? No? Maybe? >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> At 11:16 PM +0000 2/21/09, William Downs wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jonathon, >>> >>> Just use the login details as the parameters in the FX instance - >>> >>>
>>> Email Address:
>>>
>>> Password:
>>>
>> /> >>> >> value="Login"> >>>
>>> >>> Then on processing page >>> >>> $dbUser = $_POST['manEmail']; >>> $dbPassword = $_POST['manPassword']; >>> >>> $medList=new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort,'FMPro7'); >>> $medList->SetDBData($fmFile,'MedList',$groupSize); >>> $medList->SetDBPassword($dbPassword,$dbUser); >>> >>> $medListResult=$medList->FMFindAll(); >>> >>> But perhaps I am not understanding you properly ? >>> >>> Kindest >>> >>> WIlliam >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Schwartz >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> In the past, I've always constructed dedicated User tables for use in >>>> user >>>> authentication (login) in my fx.php solutions. Now, I have a project >>>> where >>>> there are dozens of potential authorized users that already have FMP >>>> account >>>> (name and password). >>>> >>>> I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to use the existing FMP >>>> accounts in an fx.php login script, rather than recreate the data in a >>>> dedicated User table. >>>> >>>> How to do? >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jonathan Schwartz >>>> Exit 445 Group >>>> jonathan@exit445.com >>>> http://www.exit445.com >>>> 415-370-5011 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> William Downs >>> Development and Support >>> BD Databases Ltd >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan Schwartz >> Exit 445 Group >> jonathan@exit445.com >> http://www.exit445.com >> 415-370-5011 >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > Regards > > Michael Ward > -- > Head Honcho > CustoMike Solutions > Member, FileMaker Business Alliance > Member, FileMaker Technical Network > FileMaker 7 Certified Developer > FileMaker 8 Certified Developer > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > 10 Wandoo Crt > Wheelers Hill, 3150 > ph 0414 562 501 > headhoncho@customikesolutions.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From ggt667 at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 09:18:14 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Sun Feb 22 09:18:17 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Use FMP Accts for CWP logins? In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902211516u7d7d0a0ag11869fa6bc6cc40@mail.gmail.com> <305BB742-324D-43D1-82D6-E42829FD842B@customikesolutions.com> Message-ID: If I was cryptic on where to check if you qualify to login, here is where: $q->SetDBUserPass( $_POST['login'], $_POST['password'] ); ggt 2009/2/22 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > It's simple, you just enable XML for all FM users that needs to access > the database from CWP, > then you let them use their own username and password for > authentication on the database level. > > ggt > > 2009/2/22 Head Honcho : >> Hi Jonathan, >> >> A question. >> >> Do all the "authorised" users have CWP "authority"? >> >> If so, then if they are correctly authenticated then they can continue >> (you've already captured their credentials for use elsewhere if necessary). >> >> And you can trap for the incorrect authentication and send them back to the >> login screen to try again, just as you normally would. So instead of >> trapping for "not found" trap for "not authenticated" >> >> HTH. >> >> On 22/02/2009, at 11:04 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: >> >>> Thanks William, >>> >>> This one is making my head hurt..because there are two kinds of >>> authentication here: >>> >>> 1) CWP Authentication, for the right to interact with the DB >>> 2) User authentication, for the right to login to the fx.php web solution >>> >>> We all use the FMP Accounts and Privileges to establish the CWP >>> Authentication. >>> >>> My question is whether we can use FMP Accounts and Privileges *again* to >>> authenticate the user logging in a login script, so that a separate User >>> table is not needed to hold the Username and Password. >>> >>> By the Way, I don't believe your example below will work. It has the >>> form's email address POST value being submitted for the CWP "Account" value. >>> >>> Another observation, even if one were to try and use an FMP Accounts and >>> Privileges Name/Password pair, fx.php throws an XML error if the the CWP >>> authentication fails in the very likely event that a username and/or >>> password is entered incorrectly. That's not good. >>> >>> This last observation might be the nail in coffin for this idea. >>> >>> Yes? No? Maybe? >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> >>> At 11:16 PM +0000 2/21/09, William Downs wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Jonathon, >>>> >>>> Just use the login details as the parameters in the FX instance - >>>> >>>>
>>>> Email Address:
>>>>
>>>> Password:
>>>>
>>> /> >>>> >>> value="Login"> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Then on processing page >>>> >>>> $dbUser = $_POST['manEmail']; >>>> $dbPassword = $_POST['manPassword']; >>>> >>>> $medList=new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort,'FMPro7'); >>>> $medList->SetDBData($fmFile,'MedList',$groupSize); >>>> $medList->SetDBPassword($dbPassword,$dbUser); >>>> >>>> $medListResult=$medList->FMFindAll(); >>>> >>>> But perhaps I am not understanding you properly ? >>>> >>>> Kindest >>>> >>>> WIlliam >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Schwartz >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> In the past, I've always constructed dedicated User tables for use in >>>>> user >>>>> authentication (login) in my fx.php solutions. Now, I have a project >>>>> where >>>>> there are dozens of potential authorized users that already have FMP >>>>> account >>>>> (name and password). >>>>> >>>>> I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to use the existing FMP >>>>> accounts in an fx.php login script, rather than recreate the data in a >>>>> dedicated User table. >>>>> >>>>> How to do? >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jonathan Schwartz >>>>> Exit 445 Group >>>>> jonathan@exit445.com >>>>> http://www.exit445.com >>>>> 415-370-5011 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> William Downs >>>> Development and Support >>>> BD Databases Ltd >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jonathan Schwartz >>> Exit 445 Group >>> jonathan@exit445.com >>> http://www.exit445.com >>> 415-370-5011 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >> Regards >> >> Michael Ward >> -- >> Head Honcho >> CustoMike Solutions >> Member, FileMaker Business Alliance >> Member, FileMaker Technical Network >> FileMaker 7 Certified Developer >> FileMaker 8 Certified Developer >> FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >> 10 Wandoo Crt >> Wheelers Hill, 3150 >> ph 0414 562 501 >> headhoncho@customikesolutions.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > From bob at patin.com Sun Feb 22 12:08:00 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Sun Feb 22 12:08:08 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Displaying container data Message-ID: <7DA78489-F9ED-4869-AAA1-FA7112EF0E3E@patin.com> I've almost never used containers with FX work, but I need it for this project, so I'm forced to revisit it. Here's my code: include_once('FX/FX.php'); include_once('FX/server_data.php'); require_once('FX/image_proxy.php'); $query2 =new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort, $dataType, $scheme); $query2->SetDBData($dbname,'web_prefs',1); $query2->SetDBPassword($webpw,$webun); $query2Result = $query2->FMFindAll(); foreach($query2Result['data'] as $key=>$query2Data); $logo="FX/image_proxy.php? FXimage=".vignereEncryptURL($query2Data['cont_logo'][0]); echo $logo; Here's what gets echoed: FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%C5%9B0z%CCI%A9%7C%B8%AE%B3%E11%EF%8COX %EF2yy%EDt%E4%C4%C0%F6%D1.Q%CFuG%9E%8D%CF%DAw_wS%B3%A0%EB %C9%E2%E1%81%B9%AA%3C%B1%84%D7Z%DAY%BD%D2%AE%BB%B7%D6%B3V%F3%CA%CE %82%DD%5B%D7%F3c%7B%9F%C9%93%EFp%F8%A5%EF%904%FB Instead of just an image, I'm seeing the actual PHP, which makes me think there's something not quite right here... Container field is called "cont_logo", and it IS on the layout. If I echo back another field (a regular data field) it comes back fine. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090222/ad0e544a/attachment.html From gareth.evans at schawk.com Sun Feb 22 12:22:16 2009 From: gareth.evans at schawk.com (Gareth Evans) Date: Sun Feb 22 12:22:24 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Displaying container data In-Reply-To: <7DA78489-F9ED-4869-AAA1-FA7112EF0E3E@patin.com> Message-ID: Maybe try: echo ''; -- > From: Bob Patin > Reply-To: "FX.php Discussion List" > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:08:00 -0600 > To: "FX.php Discussion List" > Subject: [FX.php List] Displaying container data > > I've almost never used containers with FX work, but I need it for this > project, so I'm forced to revisit it. > > Here's my code: > > > include_once('FX/FX.php'); > include_once('FX/server_data.php'); > require_once('FX/image_proxy.php'); > > $query2 =new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort, $dataType, $scheme); > $query2->SetDBData($dbname,'web_prefs',1); > $query2->SetDBPassword($webpw,$webun); > $query2Result = $query2->FMFindAll(); > foreach($query2Result['data'] as $key=>$query2Data); > $logo="FX/image_proxy.php? > FXimage=".vignereEncryptURL($query2Data['cont_logo'][0]); > echo $logo; > > Here's what gets echoed: > > FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%C5%9B0z%CCI%A9%7C%B8%AE%B3%E11%EF%8COX > %EF2yy%EDt%E4%C4%C0%F6%D1.Q%CFuG%9E%8D%CF%DAw_wS%B3%A0%EB > %C9%E2%E1%81%B9%AA%3C%B1%84%D7Z%DAY%BD%D2%AE%BB%B7%D6%B3V%F3%CA%CE > %82%DD%5B%D7%F3c%7B%9F%C9%93%EFp%F8%A5%EF%904%FB > > Instead of just an image, I'm seeing the actual PHP, which makes me > think there's something not quite right here... > > Container field is called "cont_logo", and it IS on the layout. If I > echo back another field (a regular data field) it comes back fine. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From jschwartz at exit445.com Sun Feb 22 13:49:58 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Sun Feb 22 13:52:16 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Use FMP Accts for CWP logins? In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902211516u7d7d0a0ag11869fa6bc6cc40@mail.gmail.com> <305BB742-324D-43D1-82D6-E42829FD842B@customikesolutions.com> Message-ID: Hmmm... This doesn't quite work for me. $query = new FX($serverIP, $dataPort, $dataSourceType, $scheme); $query->SetDBData ('DB.fp7'); $query->SetDBUserPass ('myusername', 'mypassword'); $findResult = $query->FMFind(); The code above produces a 958 error...missing parameter. I know what it is looking for...the layout. But a layout shouldn't be required. When I do add a layout to the second line, it finds all the records in the table. Fianly, if the username/pass pair is incorrect, I get: FX: ExecuteQuery XML error: mismatched tag at line 6Foundcount: Error Code: Is this a bad idea from the start? J At 5:18 PM +0100 2/22/09, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >If I was cryptic on where to check if you qualify to login, >here is where: $q->SetDBUserPass( $_POST['login'], $_POST['password'] ); > >ggt > >2009/2/22 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >> It's simple, you just enable XML for all FM users that needs to access >> the database from CWP, >> then you let them use their own username and password for >> authentication on the database level. >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/22 Head Honcho : >>> Hi Jonathan, >>> >>> A question. >>> >>> Do all the "authorised" users have CWP "authority"? >>> >>> If so, then if they are correctly authenticated then they can continue >>> (you've already captured their credentials for use elsewhere if necessary). >>> >>> And you can trap for the incorrect authentication and send them back to the >>> login screen to try again, just as you normally would. So instead of >>> trapping for "not found" trap for "not authenticated" >>> >>> HTH. >>> >>> On 22/02/2009, at 11:04 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks William, >>>> >>>> This one is making my head hurt..because there are two kinds of >>>> authentication here: >>>> >>>> 1) CWP Authentication, for the right to interact with the DB >>>> 2) User authentication, for the right to login to the fx.php web solution >>>> >>>> We all use the FMP Accounts and Privileges to establish the CWP >>>> Authentication. >>>> >>>> My question is whether we can use FMP Accounts and Privileges *again* to >>>> authenticate the user logging in a login script, so that a separate User >>>> table is not needed to hold the Username and Password. >>>> >>>> By the Way, I don't believe your example below will work. It has the >>>> form's email address POST value being submitted for the CWP >>>>"Account" value. >>>> >>>> Another observation, even if one were to try and use an FMP Accounts and >>>> Privileges Name/Password pair, fx.php throws an XML error if the the CWP >>>> authentication fails in the very likely event that a username and/or >>>> password is entered incorrectly. That's not good. >>>> >>>> This last observation might be the nail in coffin for this idea. >>>> >>>> Yes? No? Maybe? >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> >>>> At 11:16 PM +0000 2/21/09, William Downs wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jonathon, >>>>> >>>>> Just use the login details as the parameters in the FX instance - >>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> Email Address:
>>>>>
>>>>> Password:
>>>>>
>>>> /> >>>>> >>>> value="Login"> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Then on processing page >>>>> >>>>> $dbUser = $_POST['manEmail']; >>>>> $dbPassword = $_POST['manPassword']; >>>>> >>>>> $medList=new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort,'FMPro7'); >>>>> $medList->SetDBData($fmFile,'MedList',$groupSize); >>>>> $medList->SetDBPassword($dbPassword,$dbUser); >>>>> >>>>> $medListResult=$medList->FMFindAll(); >>>>> >>>>> But perhaps I am not understanding you properly ? >>>>> >>>>> Kindest >>>>> >>>>> WIlliam >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Schwartz >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>> In the past, I've always constructed dedicated User tables for use in >>>>>> user >>>>>> authentication (login) in my fx.php solutions. Now, I have a project >>>>>> where >>>>>> there are dozens of potential authorized users that already have FMP >>>>>> account >>>>>> (name and password). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to use the existing FMP >>>>>> accounts in an fx.php login script, rather than recreate the data in a >>>>>> dedicated User table. >>>>>> >>>>>> How to do? >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jonathan Schwartz >>>>>> Exit 445 Group >>>>>> jonathan@exit445.com >>>>>> http://www.exit445.com >>>>>> 415-370-5011 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> William Downs >>>>> Development and Support >>>>> BD Databases Ltd >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jonathan Schwartz >>>> Exit 445 Group >>>> jonathan@exit445.com >>>> http://www.exit445.com >>>> 415-370-5011 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Michael Ward >>> -- >>> Head Honcho >>> CustoMike Solutions >>> Member, FileMaker Business Alliance >>> Member, FileMaker Technical Network >>> FileMaker 7 Certified Developer >>> FileMaker 8 Certified Developer >>> FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >>> 10 Wandoo Crt >>> Wheelers Hill, 3150 >>> ph 0414 562 501 >>> headhoncho@customikesolutions.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090222/46fe2ce6/attachment-0001.html From jfunk at criticalsolution.com Sun Feb 22 14:28:19 2009 From: jfunk at criticalsolution.com (John Funk) Date: Sun Feb 22 14:28:27 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An update on my problem of a few days ago... The update to 8.0v4r2 did the trick. Thanks gtt. John Funk On 2/19/09 10:26 AM, "John Funk" wrote: > OK this makes sense. I bet the copy of server was not updated. > I will try this first and post my result. > thanks > > > On 2/19/09 10:16 AM, "Gjermund Gusland Thorsen" wrote: > >> Make sure you have FileMaker Server Advance 8.0v4r2 or whatever is >> latest FMSA version for 8 >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>> http://pastebin.com/m33ae3e5f >>> >>> >>> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>> Hmm your output lacks som closing tags >>>> >>>> >>>> ggt >>>> >>>> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>>> 1496 is the last character I would search for ugly chars >>>>> >>>>> ggt >>>>> >>>>> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Steve, now I didn't have to :-p >>>>>> >>>>>> Where is character 1496 in that string? >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be easier to do %s/>^M< >>>>>> >>>>>> and reevaluate the XML document >>>>>> >>>>>> ggt >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/2/19, Steve Winter : >>>>>> >>>>>>> and as ggt will no doubt pop up to say, make sure everything is utf8 >>>>>>> encoded >>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 Feb 2009, at 15:53, Chris Hansen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is that the entirety of the XML that you get? If so, there's the >>>>>>> problem >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> the XML isn't closed properly. My guess is that there's a character >>>>>>> (possibly invisible) in there that is forbidden by XML. FileMaker has >>>>>>> gotten increasingly good about handling this as versions have >>>>>>> progressed, >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> it doesn't surprise me that an XML problem would crop up when you went >>>>>>> backwards. Also, Windows tends to be worse about invisible characters, >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> my experience, so there's something of a double whammy here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So... the fix... you know in which record the problem is -- Record ID >>>>>>> 102 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> and you know in which field (most likely) the problem lies since output >>>>>>> died >>>>>>> before it -- Skaters_Sessions::Testdata. Have a look in there and see >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> you find. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, John Funk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number and a >>>>>>> php >>>>>>> file that finds the entered member and displays the member info. >>>>>>> The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 test >>>>>>> system >>>>>>> and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server Advance 8 system (with >>>>>>> iis) >>>>>>> and the result does not work. But IWP does work so the config is good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the xml error I get: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> XML Parsing Error: no element found >>>>>>> Location: >>>>>>> http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Ses>>>>>>> s >>>>>>> ions.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find >>>>>>> Line Number 1, Column 1496: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the XML result from the debug url: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> FMPXMLRESULT >>>>>>> PUBLIC "-//FMI//DTD FMPXMLRESULT//EN" >>>>>>> "/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.dtd">>>>>>> xmlns="http://www.filemaker.com/fmpxmlresult">0

>>>>>> R >>>>>>> ODUCT >>>>>>> BUILD="11/14/2005" NAME="FileMaker Web Publishing Engine" >>>>>>> VERSION="8.0.2.65"/>>>>>>> LAYOUT="WEB_Skaters" >>>>>>> NAME="RFSC Sessions.fp7" RECORDS="77" >>>>>>> TIMEFORMAT="HH:mm:ss"/>>>>>>> MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="First" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>>> NAME="MI" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Season" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SessionNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Testdata" >>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>> MODID="25" >>>>>>> RECORDID="102">1010Emma<>>>>>>> C >>>>>>> OL>Erler>>>>>> O >>>>>>> L>Winter2008<>>>>>>> C >>>>>>> OL> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? >>>>>>> I can send the php if required. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> John Funk >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve Winter >>>>>>> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >>>>>>> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >>>>>>> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >>>>>>> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From bob at patin.com Sun Feb 22 19:19:20 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Sun Feb 22 19:19:27 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Anyone receiving posts from this list? Message-ID: <0CFB139F-0B7C-4C27-96E1-C413F6D3C978@patin.com> I'm not seeing anything from this list today... Bob Patin Longterm Solutions bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat: bobpatin AIM: longterm1954 FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & FileMaker TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker Web hosting ? PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting From vicepresident at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 19:26:15 2009 From: vicepresident at comcast.net (Jon & Jane Montgomery) Date: Sun Feb 22 19:26:19 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Anyone receiving posts from this list? In-Reply-To: <0CFB139F-0B7C-4C27-96E1-C413F6D3C978@patin.com> Message-ID: Bob, I got 6 today! -- Jon Montgomery Home Phone: 618.542.2287 Work Phone: 618.542.2646 ext. 1133 Cell Phone: 618.201.7388 Home Email: vicepresident@comcast.net IGSMA Email; vicepresident@igsmasouth.org School Email: jwmontgomery@dqud300.perry.k12.il.us On 2/22/09 8:19 PM, "Bob Patin" wrote: > I'm not seeing anything from this list today... > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat: bobpatin > AIM: longterm1954 > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & FileMaker TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > Web hosting ? PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? > Colocation ? Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From ggt667 at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 00:40:52 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Mon Feb 23 00:40:55 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Use FMP Accts for CWP logins? In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902211516u7d7d0a0ag11869fa6bc6cc40@mail.gmail.com> <305BB742-324D-43D1-82D6-E42829FD842B@customikesolutions.com> Message-ID: FMView() is perhaps better for this task... ggt 2009/2/22 Jonathan Schwartz : > Hmmm... > This doesn't quite work for me. > $query = new FX($serverIP, $dataPort, $dataSourceType, $scheme); > $query->SetDBData ('DB.fp7'); > $query->SetDBUserPass ('myusername', 'mypassword'); > $findResult = $query->FMFind(); > > The code above produces a 958 error...missing parameter. I know what it is > looking for...the layout. But a layout shouldn't be required. When I do add > a layout to the second line, it finds all the records in the table. > Fianly, if the username/pass pair is incorrect, I get: > > FX: ExecuteQuery XML error: mismatched tag at line 6Foundcount: Error Code: > Is this a bad idea from the start? > J > At 5:18 PM +0100 2/22/09, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > If I was cryptic on where to check if you qualify to login, > here is where: $q->SetDBUserPass( $_POST['login'], $_POST['password'] ); > > ggt > > 2009/2/22 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >> It's simple, you just enable XML for all FM users that needs to access >> the database from CWP, >> then you let them use their own username and password for >> authentication on the database level. >> >> ggt >> >> 2009/2/22 Head Honcho : >>> Hi Jonathan, >>> >>> A question. >>> >>> Do all the "authorised" users have CWP "authority"? >>> >>> If so, then if they are correctly authenticated then they can continue >>> (you've already captured their credentials for use elsewhere if >>> necessary). >>> >>> And you can trap for the incorrect authentication and send them back to >>> the >>> login screen to try again, just as you normally would. So instead of >>> trapping for "not found" trap for "not authenticated" >>> >>> HTH. >>> >>> On 22/02/2009, at 11:04 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks William, >>>> >>>> This one is making my head hurt..because there are two kinds of >>>> authentication here: >>>> >>>> 1) CWP Authentication, for the right to interact with the DB >>>> 2) User authentication, for the right to login to the fx.php web >>>> solution >>>> >>>> We all use the FMP Accounts and Privileges to establish the CWP >>>> Authentication. >>>> >>>> My question is whether we can use FMP Accounts and Privileges *again* to >>>> authenticate the user logging in a login script, so that a separate User >>>> table is not needed to hold the Username and Password. >>>> >>>> By the Way, I don't believe your example below will work. It has the >>>> form's email address POST value being submitted for the CWP "Account" >>>> value. >>>> >>>> Another observation, even if one were to try and use an FMP Accounts and >>>> Privileges Name/Password pair, fx.php throws an XML error if the the CWP >>>> authentication fails in the very likely event that a username and/or >>>> password is entered incorrectly. That's not good. >>>> >>>> This last observation might be the nail in coffin for this idea. >>>> >>>> Yes? No? Maybe? >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> >>>> At 11:16 PM +0000 2/21/09, William Downs wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jonathon, >>>>> >>>>> Just use the login details as the parameters in the FX instance - >>>>> >>>>>

>>>>> Email Address:
>>>>>
>>>>> Password:
>>>>> >>>> value="">
>>>> /> >>>>> >>>> value="Login"> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Then on processing page >>>>> >>>>> $dbUser = $_POST['manEmail']; >>>>> $dbPassword = $_POST['manPassword']; >>>>> >>>>> $medList=new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort,'FMPro7'); >>>>> $medList->SetDBData($fmFile,'MedList',$groupSize); >>>>> $medList->SetDBPassword($dbPassword,$dbUser); >>>>> >>>>> $medListResult=$medList->FMFindAll(); >>>>> >>>>> But perhaps I am not understanding you properly ? >>>>> >>>>> Kindest >>>>> >>>>> WIlliam >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Jonathan Schwartz >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> In the past, I've always constructed dedicated User tables for use in >>>>>> user >>>>>> authentication (login) in my fx.php solutions. Now, I have a project >>>>>> where >>>>>> there are dozens of potential authorized users that already have FMP >>>>>> account >>>>>> (name and password). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to use the existing >>>>>> FMP >>>>>> accounts in an fx.php login script, rather than recreate the data in a >>>>>> dedicated User table. >>>>>> >>>>>> How to do? >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jonathan Schwartz >>>>>> Exit 445 Group >>>>>> jonathan@exit445.com >>>>>> http://www.exit445.com >>>>>> 415-370-5011 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> William Downs >>>>> Development and Support >>>>> BD Databases Ltd >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jonathan Schwartz >>>> Exit 445 Group >>>> jonathan@exit445.com >>>> http://www.exit445.com >>>> 415-370-5011 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Michael Ward >>> -- >>> Head Honcho >>> CustoMike Solutions >>> Member, FileMaker Business Alliance >>> Member, FileMaker Technical Network >>> FileMaker 7 Certified Developer >>> FileMaker 8 Certified Developer >>> FileMaker 9 Certified Developer >>> 10 Wandoo Crt >>> Wheelers Hill, 3150 >>> ph 0414 562 501 >>> headhoncho@customikesolutions.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > -- > > Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > jonathan@exit445.com > http://www.exit445.com > 415-370-5011 > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From ggt667 at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 00:42:16 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Mon Feb 23 00:42:20 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Workked on a Mac but not on a PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When there are weird numbers to the right of the release number, there are usually changes somebody does not want to admit to... ggt 2009/2/22 John Funk : > An update on my problem of a few days ago... > The update to 8.0v4r2 did the trick. > Thanks gtt. > > John Funk > > > On 2/19/09 10:26 AM, "John Funk" wrote: > >> OK this makes sense. I bet the copy of server was not updated. >> I will try this first and post my result. >> thanks >> >> >> On 2/19/09 10:16 AM, "Gjermund Gusland Thorsen" wrote: >> >>> Make sure you have FileMaker Server Advance 8.0v4r2 or whatever is >>> latest FMSA version for 8 >>> >>> ggt >>> >>> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>> http://pastebin.com/m33ae3e5f >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>>> Hmm your output lacks som closing tags >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ggt >>>>> >>>>> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>>>> 1496 is the last character I would search for ugly chars >>>>>> >>>>>> ggt >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/2/19, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Steve, now I didn't have to :-p >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where is character 1496 in that string? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be easier to do %s/>^M< >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and reevaluate the XML document >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ggt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/2/19, Steve Winter : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and as ggt will no doubt pop up to say, make sure everything is utf8 >>>>>>>> encoded >>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19 Feb 2009, at 15:53, Chris Hansen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is that the entirety of the XML that you get? If so, there's the >>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> the XML isn't closed properly. My guess is that there's a character >>>>>>>> (possibly invisible) in there that is forbidden by XML. FileMaker has >>>>>>>> gotten increasingly good about handling this as versions have >>>>>>>> progressed, >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> it doesn't surprise me that an XML problem would crop up when you went >>>>>>>> backwards. Also, Windows tends to be worse about invisible characters, >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> my experience, so there's something of a double whammy here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So... the fix... you know in which record the problem is -- Record ID >>>>>>>> 102 >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> and you know in which field (most likely) the problem lies since output >>>>>>>> died >>>>>>>> before it -- Skaters_Sessions::Testdata. Have a look in there and see >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> you find. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HTH >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, John Funk wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a very simple html login page that asks for a member number and a >>>>>>>> php >>>>>>>> file that finds the entered member and displays the member info. >>>>>>>> The problem is, this worked on a Mac/ FileMaker Server Advance 9 test >>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>> and now I moved it to a PC (XP) FileMaker Server Advance 8 system (with >>>>>>>> iis) >>>>>>>> and the result does not work. But IWP does work so the config is good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the xml error I get: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> XML Parsing Error: no element found >>>>>>>> Location: >>>>>>>> > http://webuser:webpass@192.168.1.3/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.xml?-db=RFSC+Ses>>>>>>> > s >>>>>>>> ions.fp7&-lay=WEB_Skaters&-max=1&SkaterNumber=%3D%3D1010&-find >>>>>>>> Line Number 1, Column 1496: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the XML result from the debug url: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> FMPXMLRESULT >>>>>>>> PUBLIC "-//FMI//DTD FMPXMLRESULT//EN" >>>>>>>> "/fmi/xml/FMPXMLRESULT.dtd">>>>>>>> > xmlns="http://www.filemaker.com/fmpxmlresult">0

>>>>>> > R >>>>>>>> ODUCT >>>>>>>> BUILD="11/14/2005" NAME="FileMaker Web Publishing Engine" >>>>>>>> VERSION="8.0.2.65"/>>>>>>>> LAYOUT="WEB_Skaters" >>>>>>>> NAME="RFSC Sessions.fp7" RECORDS="77" >>>>>>>> TIMEFORMAT="HH:mm:ss"/>>>>>>>> MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> MAXREPEAT="1" NAME="First" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>>>> NAME="MI" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Season" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SkaterNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::SessionNumber" TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> EMPTYOK="YES" MAXREPEAT="1" >>>>>>>> NAME="Skaters_Sessions::Testdata" >>>>>>>> TYPE="TEXT"/>>>>>>>> MODID="25" >>>>>>>> > RECORDID="102">1010Emma<>>>>>>> > C >>>>>>>> > OL>Erler>>>>>> > O >>>>>>>> > L>Winter2008<>>>>>>> > C >>>>>>>> OL> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is this an iis problem? Where do I start? >>>>>>>> I can send the php if required. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> John Funk >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve Winter >>>>>>>> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >>>>>>>> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >>>>>>>> 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way >>>>>>>> Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From bob at patin.com Mon Feb 23 19:03:26 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Mon Feb 23 19:03:32 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Repost: Displaying container data In-Reply-To: <7DA78489-F9ED-4869-AAA1-FA7112EF0E3E@patin.com> References: <7DA78489-F9ED-4869-AAA1-FA7112EF0E3E@patin.com> Message-ID: I apologize for re-posting this, but I haven't received anything from this list in a while. If this was responded to, I would appreciate someone emailing me direct so I'll know that it did make the list, and will look at my spam-blocking svc. to see if the FX list has gotten blocked... Anyway, here's the original post: On Feb 22, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Bob Patin wrote: > I've almost never used containers with FX work, but I need it for > this project, so I'm forced to revisit it. > > Here's my code: > > > include_once('FX/FX.php'); > include_once('FX/server_data.php'); > require_once('FX/image_proxy.php'); > > $query2 =new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort, $dataType, $scheme); > $query2->SetDBData($dbname,'web_prefs',1); > $query2->SetDBPassword($webpw,$webun); > $query2Result = $query2->FMFindAll(); > foreach($query2Result['data'] as $key=>$query2Data); > $logo="FX/image_proxy.php? > FXimage=".vignereEncryptURL($query2Data['cont_logo'][0]); > echo $logo; > > Here's what gets echoed: > > FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%C5%9B0z%CCI%A9%7C%B8%AE%B3%E11%EF%8COX > %EF2yy%EDt%E4%C4%C0%F6%D1.Q%CFuG%9E%8D%CF%DAw_wS%B3%A0%EB > %C9%E2%E1%81%B9%AA%3C%B1%84%D7Z%DAY%BD%D2%AE%BB%B7%D6%B3V%F3%CA%CE > %82%DD%5B%D7%F3c%7B%9F%C9%93%EFp%F8%A5%EF%904%FB > > Instead of just an image, I'm seeing the actual PHP, which makes me > think there's something not quite right here... > > Container field is called "cont_logo", and it IS on the layout. If I > echo back another field (a regular data field) it comes back fine. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > Twitter: bobpatin > iChat/AIM: bobpatin > FileMaker 9 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet > -------------------------- > FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker > PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090223/bfed5bdc/attachment.html From tim at nicheit.com.au Mon Feb 23 19:09:12 2009 From: tim at nicheit.com.au (Tim 'Webko' Booth) Date: Mon Feb 23 19:09:59 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Repost: Displaying container data In-Reply-To: References: <7DA78489-F9ED-4869-AAA1-FA7112EF0E3E@patin.com> Message-ID: On 24/02/2009, at 1:03 PM, Bob Patin wrote: > I apologize for re-posting this, but I haven't received anything > from this list in a while. If this was responded to, I would > appreciate someone emailing me direct so I'll know that it did make > the list, and will look at my spam-blocking svc. to see if the FX > list has gotten blocked... > > Anyway, here's the original post: Your original post plus one response did make it to the list. Gareth Evans replied 6:23 am 23 Feb 09 (my time): Maybe try: echo ''; Cheers Webko From ggt667 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 02:26:48 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Tue Feb 24 02:26:52 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Repost: Displaying container data In-Reply-To: References: <7DA78489-F9ED-4869-AAA1-FA7112EF0E3E@patin.com> Message-ID: Please search the list, this has been here throughly at least 3 times. ggt 2009/2/24 Tim 'Webko' Booth : > > On 24/02/2009, at 1:03 PM, Bob Patin wrote: > >> I apologize for re-posting this, but I haven't received anything from this >> list in a while. If this was responded to, I would appreciate someone >> emailing me direct so I'll know that it did make the list, and will look at >> my spam-blocking svc. to see if the FX list has gotten blocked... >> >> Anyway, here's the original post: > > Your original post plus one response did make it to the list. > > Gareth Evans replied 6:23 am 23 Feb 09 (my time): > > Maybe try: > > echo ''; > > > Cheers > > Webko > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From tim at nicheit.com.au Tue Feb 24 03:47:39 2009 From: tim at nicheit.com.au (Tim 'Webko' Booth) Date: Tue Feb 24 03:47:51 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Repost: Displaying container data In-Reply-To: References: <7DA78489-F9ED-4869-AAA1-FA7112EF0E3E@patin.com> Message-ID: <769B77E9-8535-4A50-9CA4-924EEC7C3DA5@nicheit.com.au> On 24/02/2009, at 8:26 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > Please search the list, this has been here throughly at least 3 times. In Bob's defence - he really is having some strange stuff come back compared to my own experience... Mine is just URL encoded, his is just plain odd: Mine - FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%2Ffmi%2Fxml%2Fcnt%2Fdata.jpg%3F-db %3DACPH_Memorial%26-lay%3DWEB%2520Detail%26-recid%3D109%26-field %3DImageFile1%281%29 His - FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%8A%A7%A6%A9%D4%C6%B1%DFG%B0%D00%8Db %5Ea%E8%8E%B8%DA%E1mS%E48%D1%5B%9A%7EMT%C4%AB%84%3Br%CF%81%AD%E9%CD%3Fg %E9r%9EG%CC%3A%83%81%9E%BB%B7J%89s%F4%7ByU%92%D3%96%88gc%E3%A9I%C33M%DE %E6%60s%C6%DE4%E0%2Bx%E6%3D%F4 On what are (apparently) fairly similar requests... Thoughts? Cheers Webko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090224/fb6d746f/attachment.html From ggt667 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 06:59:30 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Tue Feb 24 06:59:34 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Repost: Displaying container data In-Reply-To: <769B77E9-8535-4A50-9CA4-924EEC7C3DA5@nicheit.com.au> References: <7DA78489-F9ED-4869-AAA1-FA7112EF0E3E@patin.com> <769B77E9-8535-4A50-9CA4-924EEC7C3DA5@nicheit.com.au> Message-ID: His is urlencoded, yours look weird... 2009/2/24 Tim 'Webko' Booth : > > On 24/02/2009, at 8:26 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > > Please search the list, this has been here throughly at least 3 times. > > In Bob's defence - he really is having some strange stuff come back compared > to my own experience... > Mine is just URL encoded, his is just plain odd: > Mine > -?FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%2Ffmi%2Fxml%2Fcnt%2Fdata.jpg%3F-db%3DACPH_Memorial%26-lay%3DWEB%2520Detail%26-recid%3D109%26-field%3DImageFile1%281%29 > His - > FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%8A%A7%A6%A9%D4%C6%B1%DFG%B0%D00%8Db%5Ea%E8%8E%B8%DA%E1mS%E48%D1%5B%9A%7EMT%C4%AB%84%3Br%CF%81%AD%E9%CD%3Fg%E9r%9EG%CC%3A%83%81%9E%BB%B7J%89s%F4%7ByU%92%D3%96%88gc%E3%A9I%C33M%DE%E6%60s%C6%DE4%E0%2Bx%E6%3D%F4 > On what are (apparently) fairly similar requests... > Thoughts? > Cheers > Webko > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > From ggt667 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 07:00:24 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Tue Feb 24 07:00:27 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Repost: Displaying container data In-Reply-To: References: <7DA78489-F9ED-4869-AAA1-FA7112EF0E3E@patin.com> <769B77E9-8535-4A50-9CA4-924EEC7C3DA5@nicheit.com.au> Message-ID: ahh, an his is vignereencrypted as well, yours is not... ggt 2009/2/24 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > His is urlencoded, yours look weird... > > 2009/2/24 Tim 'Webko' Booth : >> >> On 24/02/2009, at 8:26 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >> >> Please search the list, this has been here throughly at least 3 times. >> >> In Bob's defence - he really is having some strange stuff come back compared >> to my own experience... >> Mine is just URL encoded, his is just plain odd: >> Mine >> -?FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%2Ffmi%2Fxml%2Fcnt%2Fdata.jpg%3F-db%3DACPH_Memorial%26-lay%3DWEB%2520Detail%26-recid%3D109%26-field%3DImageFile1%281%29 >> His - >> FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%8A%A7%A6%A9%D4%C6%B1%DFG%B0%D00%8Db%5Ea%E8%8E%B8%DA%E1mS%E48%D1%5B%9A%7EMT%C4%AB%84%3Br%CF%81%AD%E9%CD%3Fg%E9r%9EG%CC%3A%83%81%9E%BB%B7J%89s%F4%7ByU%92%D3%96%88gc%E3%A9I%C33M%DE%E6%60s%C6%DE4%E0%2Bx%E6%3D%F4 >> On what are (apparently) fairly similar requests... >> Thoughts? >> Cheers >> Webko >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 24 08:21:20 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 24 08:21:27 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Repost: Displaying container data In-Reply-To: References: <7DA78489-F9ED-4869-AAA1-FA7112EF0E3E@patin.com> <769B77E9-8535-4A50-9CA4-924EEC7C3DA5@nicheit.com.au> Message-ID: <8C0EC04F-12B5-4DE7-9672-72ABAB4F4A04@patin.com> For the record, I'm using EXACTLY the same method that Tim is using. If you look at my code you'll see that I'm using the same command to try to pull in the container data. Also, as Tim (thanks Tim) pointed out, this isn't the same issue as trying to figure out how to do this--this seems to be a problem with decrypting the code coming back from the function. I can see snippets of data in Tim's returned string, like the name of the JPG, etc.; in mine I see none of that. I'm using this > $logo="FX/image_proxy.php? > FXimage=".vignereEncryptURL($query2Data['cont_logo'][0]); > echo $logo; to pull in the data, and then I'm echoing the variable down in my script, inside my IMG tags, like this: but apparently the decryption is failing. Chris, if you happen to see this thread, I'd appreciate any thoughts on it... Best, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com Twitter: bobpatin iChat/AIM: bobpatin FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance & TechNet -------------------------- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Feb 24, 2009, at 8:00 AM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > ahh, an his is vignereencrypted as well, yours is not... > > ggt > > 2009/2/24 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >> His is urlencoded, yours look weird... >> >> 2009/2/24 Tim 'Webko' Booth : >>> >>> On 24/02/2009, at 8:26 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: >>> >>> Please search the list, this has been here throughly at least 3 >>> times. >>> >>> In Bob's defence - he really is having some strange stuff come >>> back compared >>> to my own experience... >>> Mine is just URL encoded, his is just plain odd: >>> Mine >>> - FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%2Ffmi%2Fxml%2Fcnt%2Fdata.jpg%3F-db >>> %3DACPH_Memorial%26-lay%3DWEB%2520Detail%26-recid%3D109%26-field >>> %3DImageFile1%281%29 >>> His - >>> FX/image_proxy.php?FXimage=%8A%A7%A6%A9%D4%C6%B1%DFG%B0%D00%8Db%5Ea >>> %E8%8E%B8%DA%E1mS%E48%D1%5B%9A%7EMT%C4%AB%84%3Br%CF%81%AD%E9%CD%3Fg >>> %E9r%9EG%CC%3A%83%81%9E%BB%B7J%89s%F4%7ByU%92%D3%96%88gc%E3%A9I >>> %C33M%DE%E6%60s%C6%DE4%E0%2Bx%E6%3D%F4 >>> On what are (apparently) fairly similar requests... >>> Thoughts? >>> Cheers >>> Webko >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From tcmeyers at troymeyers.com Tue Feb 24 08:55:11 2009 From: tcmeyers at troymeyers.com (Troy Meyers) Date: Tue Feb 24 08:55:17 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Repost: Displaying container data Message-ID: > vignereEncryptURL Bob, I don't know what that is, so I Googled it, and happened to find this page: http://www.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/2006-April/001397.html I'm not at all up to speed on this, but that post from 2006 might contain the answer or a clue... -Troy From tcmeyers at troymeyers.com Tue Feb 24 09:36:54 2009 From: tcmeyers at troymeyers.com (Troy Meyers) Date: Tue Feb 24 09:36:57 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Repost: Displaying container data Message-ID: <416DBF7F.01DF.45C4.9078.94709949507A@102.933867> Bob, I don't suppose this is it, but apparently FX versions prior to 4.5 may have had some trouble with vignereEncryptURL(). What's your FX version? I'm looking at: http://www.iviking.org/downloads/CHANGES.txt -Troy From william.downs at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 10:29:56 2009 From: william.downs at gmail.com (William Downs) Date: Tue Feb 24 10:29:59 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version Message-ID: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - How do I find out my FX version ? Kindest William From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 24 10:52:09 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 24 10:52:15 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] Repost: Displaying container data In-Reply-To: <416DBF7F.01DF.45C4.9078.94709949507A@102.933867> References: <416DBF7F.01DF.45C4.9078.94709949507A@102.933867> Message-ID: <5DD78960-1B06-45CB-8206-9FF57A58D988@patin.com> Troy, Thanks for the reply; it looks like she got the spot where I am now. Unfortunately, it refuses to decrypt, apparently... BP On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Troy Meyers wrote: > Bob, > > I don't suppose this is it, but apparently FX versions prior to 4.5 > may have had some trouble with vignereEncryptURL(). What's your FX > version? > > I'm looking at: > http://www.iviking.org/downloads/CHANGES.txt > > -Troy > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Tue Feb 24 10:52:33 2009 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Tue Feb 24 10:53:15 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi William, By looking in the FX.php file itself, or by echoing one of the two variables declared there (assuming that you're using v > 4.0, you'll see the below) Cheers Steve define("FX_VERSION", '4.2'); // Current version information for FX.php. New constants as of version 4.0. define("FX_VERSION_FULL", "FX.php version 4.2 (03 Nov 2005) by Chris Hansen, Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others."); On 24 Feb 2009, at 17:29, William Downs wrote: > Hi there, > > silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - > > How do I find out my FX version ? > > Kindest > > William > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz m: +44 77 7852 4776 3 Calshot Court, Channel Way Ocean Village, Southampton SO14 3GR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090224/9cf05f9e/attachment.html From jschwartz at exit445.com Tue Feb 24 10:53:15 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Tue Feb 24 10:54:08 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I love silly questions. It takes the attention away from me. ;-) From the top of the fx.php file.. #### FX.php ############################################################# # # # By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others # # Version: 4.2 # # Date: 03 Nov 2005 # # Web Site: www.iviking.org # # Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing FileMaker # # data. For complete details about this class, please visit # # www.iviking.org. # # # ######################################################################### Did you notice the ggt credit? Must have run out of room before the BobPatin credit. ;-) J At 5:29 PM +0000 2/24/09, William Downs wrote: >Hi there, > >silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - > >How do I find out my FX version ? > >Kindest > >William >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 24 11:04:59 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:05:06 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7CCBBF60-F104-424E-ACED-4A4220560070@patin.com> It's in the unedited Director's Cut... On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Must have run out of room before the BobPatin credit. ;-) > > J From william.downs at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 11:05:27 2009 From: william.downs at gmail.com (William Downs) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:05:31 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b77f2170902241005p742e5203kf82dfe12fb77108a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the quick answer steve, hmmm, I already looked in that file ( seemed a logical place to look ) - but no mention of a version. So, it's probably older then ? And my next question will be : Is it a simple swap out FX directory procedure to upgrade - or does it entail a lot of re-coding ? Ooops, Kindest William 2009/2/24 Steve Winter : > Hi William, > By looking in the FX.php file itself, or by echoing one of the two variables > declared there (assuming that you're using v > 4.0, you'll see the below) > Cheers > Steve > define("FX_VERSION", '4.2');? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? // > Current version information for FX.php.? New constants as of version 4.0. > define("FX_VERSION_FULL", "FX.php version 4.2 (03 Nov 2005) by Chris Hansen, > Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others."); > On 24 Feb 2009, at 17:29, William Downs wrote: > > Hi there, > > silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - > > How do I find out my FX version ? > > Kindest > > William > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > Steve Winter > steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz > m: +44 77 7852 4776 > 3 Calshot Court,?Channel Way > Ocean?Village,?Southampton?SO14 3GR > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > -- William Downs Development and Support BD Databases Ltd From ggt667 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 11:07:48 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:07:51 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: <7CCBBF60-F104-424E-ACED-4A4220560070@patin.com> References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> <7CCBBF60-F104-424E-ACED-4A4220560070@patin.com> Message-ID: When did Bob start to contribute? 2007? I had the unicode parts implemented before the release of FileMaker 6... Spring 2002, at that time FileMaker only partially supported unicode, true unicode support in FileMaker started with FileMaker 7 Spring 2004 ggt 2009/2/24 Bob Patin : > It's in the unedited Director's Cut... > > > > > On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > >> Must have run out of room before the BobPatin credit. ;-) >> >> J > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From william.downs at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 11:07:49 2009 From: william.downs at gmail.com (William Downs) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:07:54 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b77f2170902241007r17480a27g1cfefc8cf32a033a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jonathan, her is my header : #### FX.php ############################################################# # # # By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others # # Date: 01 Aug 2004 # # Web Site: www.iviking.org # # Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing FileMaker # # data. For complete details about this class, please visit # # www.iviking.org. # # # ######################################################################### Blush - old or what ? William On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > I love silly questions. It takes the attention away from me. ;-) > > From the top of the fx.php file.. > > #### FX.php ############################################################# > # ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # > # ? ? ? By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others # > # ?Version: 4.2 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # > # ? ? Date: 03 Nov 2005 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # > # Web Site: www.iviking.org ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # > # ?Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing FileMaker ?# > # ? ? ? ? ?data. ?For complete details about this class, please visit ? # > # ? ? ? ? ?www.iviking.org. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # > # ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # > ######################################################################### > > Did you notice the ggt credit? > > Must have run out of room before the BobPatin credit. ;-) > > J > > At 5:29 PM +0000 2/24/09, William Downs wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - >> >> How do I find out my FX version ? >> >> Kindest >> >> William >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > -- > Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > jonathan@exit445.com > http://www.exit445.com > 415-370-5011 > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > -- William Downs Development and Support BD Databases Ltd From ggt667 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 11:08:40 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:08:49 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: <3b77f2170902241005p742e5203kf82dfe12fb77108a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241005p742e5203kf82dfe12fb77108a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Only the naming in the server_data.php template changed AFAIK ggt 2009/2/24 William Downs : > Thanks for the quick answer steve, > > hmmm, > > I already looked in that file ( seemed a logical place to look ) - but > no mention of a version. > > So, it's probably older then ? > > And my next question will be : > > Is it a simple swap out FX directory procedure to upgrade - or does it > entail a lot of re-coding ? > > Ooops, > > Kindest > > William > > 2009/2/24 Steve Winter : >> Hi William, >> By looking in the FX.php file itself, or by echoing one of the two variables >> declared there (assuming that you're using v > 4.0, you'll see the below) >> Cheers >> Steve >> define("FX_VERSION", '4.2');? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? // >> Current version information for FX.php.? New constants as of version 4.0. >> define("FX_VERSION_FULL", "FX.php version 4.2 (03 Nov 2005) by Chris Hansen, >> Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others."); >> On 24 Feb 2009, at 17:29, William Downs wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - >> >> How do I find out my FX version ? >> >> Kindest >> >> William >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> Steve Winter >> steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz >> m: +44 77 7852 4776 >> 3 Calshot Court,?Channel Way >> Ocean?Village,?Southampton?SO14 3GR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > > > > -- > William Downs > Development and Support > BD Databases Ltd > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 24 11:10:49 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:10:55 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> <7CCBBF60-F104-424E-ACED-4A4220560070@patin.com> Message-ID: My contributions are in those things you can't see... mainly because they DON'T EXIST. GGT did the unicode, i did the unicycle coding. On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > When did Bob start to contribute? 2007? > > I had the unicode parts implemented before the release of FileMaker > 6... Spring 2002, at that time FileMaker only partially supported > unicode, true unicode support in FileMaker started with FileMaker 7 > Spring 2004 > > ggt From ggt667 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 11:10:51 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:10:56 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: <3b77f2170902241007r17480a27g1cfefc8cf32a033a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241007r17480a27g1cfefc8cf32a033a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Version 0.1 was Desember 1999 or something like that... I?d say it?s pretty new 2009/2/24 William Downs : > Hi Jonathan, > > her is my header : > > #### ? ?FX.php ############################################################# > # ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?# > # ? ? ? ? ?By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others # > # ? ? ? ?Date: 01 Aug 2004 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # > # ? ?Web Site: www.iviking.org ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # > # ? ? Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing FileMaker ?# > # ? ? ? ? ? ? data. ?For complete details about this class, please visit ? # > # ? ? ? ? ? ? www.iviking.org. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # > # ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?# > ######################################################################### > > Blush - old or what ? > > William > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Schwartz > wrote: >> I love silly questions. It takes the attention away from me. ;-) >> >> From the top of the fx.php file.. >> >> #### FX.php ############################################################# >> # ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >> # ? ? ? By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others # >> # ?Version: 4.2 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >> # ? ? Date: 03 Nov 2005 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >> # Web Site: www.iviking.org ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >> # ?Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing FileMaker ?# >> # ? ? ? ? ?data. ?For complete details about this class, please visit ? # >> # ? ? ? ? ?www.iviking.org. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >> # ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >> ######################################################################### >> >> Did you notice the ggt credit? >> >> Must have run out of room before the BobPatin credit. ;-) >> >> J >> >> At 5:29 PM +0000 2/24/09, William Downs wrote: >>> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - >>> >>> How do I find out my FX version ? >>> >>> Kindest >>> >>> William >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan Schwartz >> Exit 445 Group >> jonathan@exit445.com >> http://www.exit445.com >> 415-370-5011 >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > > > -- > William Downs > Development and Support > BD Databases Ltd > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From ggt667 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 11:15:58 2009 From: ggt667 at gmail.com (Gjermund Gusland Thorsen) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:16:09 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> <7CCBBF60-F104-424E-ACED-4A4220560070@patin.com> Message-ID: Good thing you remind me, perhaps there will be a 10th anniversary thing this year? Chris? Is it 10 years since we started fiddling in December? 2009/2/24 Bob Patin : > My contributions are in those things you can't see... mainly because they > DON'T EXIST. > > GGT did the unicode, i did the unicycle coding. > > > On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Gjermund Gusland Thorsen wrote: > >> When did Bob start to contribute? 2007? >> >> I had the unicode parts implemented before the release of FileMaker >> 6... Spring 2002, at that time FileMaker only partially supported >> unicode, true unicode support in FileMaker started with FileMaker 7 >> Spring 2004 >> >> ggt > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From william.downs at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 11:16:20 2009 From: william.downs at gmail.com (William Downs) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:16:29 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241007r17480a27g1cfefc8cf32a033a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b77f2170902241016h74b82c6blae5231f83cd3b2e1@mail.gmail.com> I just upgraded - I like the debugger thingy - nice. Runs without a hitch. Thanks guys - William 2009/2/24 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : > Version 0.1 was Desember 1999 or something like that... > > I?d say it?s pretty new > > 2009/2/24 William Downs : >> Hi Jonathan, >> >> her is my header : >> >> #### ? ?FX.php ############################################################# >> # ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?# >> # ? ? ? ? ?By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others # >> # ? ? ? ?Date: 01 Aug 2004 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >> # ? ?Web Site: www.iviking.org ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >> # ? ? Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing FileMaker ?# >> # ? ? ? ? ? ? data. ?For complete details about this class, please visit ? # >> # ? ? ? ? ? ? www.iviking.org. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >> # ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?# >> ######################################################################### >> >> Blush - old or what ? >> >> William >> >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Schwartz >> wrote: >>> I love silly questions. It takes the attention away from me. ;-) >>> >>> From the top of the fx.php file.. >>> >>> #### FX.php ############################################################# >>> # ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >>> # ? ? ? By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others # >>> # ?Version: 4.2 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >>> # ? ? Date: 03 Nov 2005 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >>> # Web Site: www.iviking.org ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >>> # ?Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing FileMaker ?# >>> # ? ? ? ? ?data. ?For complete details about this class, please visit ? # >>> # ? ? ? ? ?www.iviking.org. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >>> # ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # >>> ######################################################################### >>> >>> Did you notice the ggt credit? >>> >>> Must have run out of room before the BobPatin credit. ;-) >>> >>> J >>> >>> At 5:29 PM +0000 2/24/09, William Downs wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - >>>> >>>> How do I find out my FX version ? >>>> >>>> Kindest >>>> >>>> William >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jonathan Schwartz >>> Exit 445 Group >>> jonathan@exit445.com >>> http://www.exit445.com >>> 415-370-5011 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> William Downs >> Development and Support >> BD Databases Ltd >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > -- William Downs Development and Support BD Databases Ltd From dbengston at tds.net Tue Feb 24 12:05:43 2009 From: dbengston at tds.net (Dale Bengston) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:05:56 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: <3b77f2170902241016h74b82c6blae5231f83cd3b2e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241007r17480a27g1cfefc8cf32a033a@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241016h74b82c6blae5231f83cd3b2e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <826AE9F4-8030-4280-871A-246DC9FB1B9D@tds.net> The latest version is 4.1.5, dated 2/28/08. Maybe we should have a birthday party for it on Saturday! Dale On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:16 PM, William Downs wrote: > I just upgraded - I like the debugger thingy - nice. > > Runs without a hitch. > > Thanks guys - > > William > > 2009/2/24 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >> Version 0.1 was Desember 1999 or something like that... >> >> I?d say it?s pretty new >> >> 2009/2/24 William Downs : >>> Hi Jonathan, >>> >>> her is my header : >>> >>> #### FX.php >>> ############################################################# >>> # # >>> # By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, >>> and others # >>> # Date: 01 Aug >>> 2004 # >>> # Web Site: >>> www.iviking.org # >>> # Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing >>> FileMaker # >>> # data. For complete details about this class, please >>> visit # >>> # >>> www.iviking.org. # >>> # # >>> ######################################################################### >>> >>> Blush - old or what ? >>> >>> William >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Schwartz >>> wrote: >>>> I love silly questions. It takes the attention away from me. ;-) >>>> >>>> From the top of the fx.php file.. >>>> >>>> #### FX.php >>>> ############################################################# >>>> # # >>>> # By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and >>>> others # >>>> # Version: >>>> 4.2 # >>>> # Date: 03 Nov >>>> 2005 # >>>> # Web Site: >>>> www.iviking.org # >>>> # Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing >>>> FileMaker # >>>> # data. For complete details about this class, please >>>> visit # >>>> # >>>> www.iviking.org. # >>>> # # >>>> ######################################################################### >>>> >>>> Did you notice the ggt credit? >>>> >>>> Must have run out of room before the BobPatin credit. ;-) >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> At 5:29 PM +0000 2/24/09, William Downs wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - >>>>> >>>>> How do I find out my FX version ? >>>>> >>>>> Kindest >>>>> >>>>> William >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jonathan Schwartz >>>> Exit 445 Group >>>> jonathan@exit445.com >>>> http://www.exit445.com >>>> 415-370-5011 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> William Downs >>> Development and Support >>> BD Databases Ltd >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >> > > > > -- > William Downs > Development and Support > BD Databases Ltd > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 1582 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090224/ef9d1813/smime.bin From jsfmp at earthlink.net Tue Feb 24 12:12:50 2009 From: jsfmp at earthlink.net (Joel Shapiro) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:12:55 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: <826AE9F4-8030-4280-871A-246DC9FB1B9D@tds.net> References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241007r17480a27g1cfefc8cf32a033a@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241016h74b82c6blae5231f83cd3b2e1@mail.gmail.com> <826AE9F4-8030-4280-871A-246DC9FB1B9D@tds.net> Message-ID: I'm busy on Saturday. How's Sunday for everybody? -Joel On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Dale Bengston wrote: > The latest version is 4.1.5, dated 2/28/08. Maybe we should have a > birthday party for it on Saturday! > > Dale > > > > On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:16 PM, William Downs wrote: > >> I just upgraded - I like the debugger thingy - nice. >> >> Runs without a hitch. >> >> Thanks guys - >> >> William >> >> 2009/2/24 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>> Version 0.1 was Desember 1999 or something like that... >>> >>> I?d say it?s pretty new >>> >>> 2009/2/24 William Downs : >>>> Hi Jonathan, >>>> >>>> her is my header : >>>> >>>> #### FX.php >>>> ############################################################# >>>> # >>>> # >>>> # By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, >>>> and others # >>>> # Date: 01 Aug >>>> 2004 # >>>> # Web Site: >>>> www.iviking.org # >>>> # Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing >>>> FileMaker # >>>> # data. For complete details about this class, >>>> please visit # >>>> # >>>> www.iviking.org. # >>>> # >>>> # >>>> ################################################################### >>>> ###### >>>> >>>> Blush - old or what ? >>>> >>>> William >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Schwartz >>>> wrote: >>>>> I love silly questions. It takes the attention away from me. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> From the top of the fx.php file.. >>>>> >>>>> #### FX.php >>>>> ############################################################# >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>>> # By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, >>>>> and others # >>>>> # Version: >>>>> 4.2 # >>>>> # Date: 03 Nov >>>>> 2005 # >>>>> # Web Site: >>>>> www.iviking.org # >>>>> # Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing >>>>> FileMaker # >>>>> # data. For complete details about this class, please >>>>> visit # >>>>> # >>>>> www.iviking.org. # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>>> ################################################################## >>>>> ####### >>>>> >>>>> Did you notice the ggt credit? >>>>> >>>>> Must have run out of room before the BobPatin credit. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> At 5:29 PM +0000 2/24/09, William Downs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>> >>>>>> silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - >>>>>> >>>>>> How do I find out my FX version ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Kindest >>>>>> >>>>>> William >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jonathan Schwartz >>>>> Exit 445 Group >>>>> jonathan@exit445.com >>>>> http://www.exit445.com >>>>> 415-370-5011 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> William Downs >>>> Development and Support >>>> BD Databases Ltd >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FX.php_List mailing list >>>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> William Downs >> Development and Support >> BD Databases Ltd >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From tcmeyers at troymeyers.com Tue Feb 24 12:33:59 2009 From: tcmeyers at troymeyers.com (Troy Meyers) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:34:02 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version Message-ID: Dale, I think you probably just transposed, I believe it's 4.5.1. I wouldn't mention it since it's a party, but I didn't want there to be confusion about what to put on the birthday cards. -Troy > The latest version is 4.1.5, dated 2/28/08. Maybe we should have a > birthday party for it on Saturday! > > Dale From jschwartz at exit445.com Tue Feb 24 12:29:03 2009 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:34:12 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241007r17480a27g1cfefc8cf32a033a@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241016h74b82c6blae5231f83cd3b2e1@mail.gmail.com> <826AE9F4-8030-4280-871A-246DC9FB1B9D@tds.net> Message-ID: I just want to see Chris and ggt "fiddling" together. In Bob Patin's part of the country, "Them's fightin' words". J At 11:12 AM -0800 2/24/09, Joel Shapiro wrote: >I'm busy on Saturday. How's Sunday for everybody? > >-Joel > > >On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Dale Bengston wrote: > >>The latest version is 4.1.5, dated 2/28/08. Maybe we should have a >>birthday party for it on Saturday! >> >>Dale >> >> >> >>On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:16 PM, William Downs wrote: >> >>>I just upgraded - I like the debugger thingy - nice. >>> >>>Runs without a hitch. >>> >>>Thanks guys - >>> >>>William >>> >>>2009/2/24 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>>Version 0.1 was Desember 1999 or something like that... >>>> >>>>I'd say it's pretty new >>>> >>>>2009/2/24 William Downs : >>>>>Hi Jonathan, >>>>> >>>>>her is my header : >>>>> >>>>>#### FX.php >>>>>############################################################# >>>>># >>>>> # >>>>># By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, >>>>>and others # >>>>># Date: 01 Aug 2004 >>>>># >>>>># Web Site: www.iviking.org >>>>># >>>>># Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing >>>>>FileMaker # >>>>># data. For complete details about this class, >>>>>please visit # >>>>># >>>>>www.iviking.org. # >>>>># >>>>> # >>>>>######################################################################### >>>>> >>>>>Blush - old or what ? >>>>> >>>>>William >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Schwartz >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>I love silly questions. It takes the attention away from me. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>>From the top of the fx.php file.. >>>>>> >>>>>>#### FX.php ############################################################# >>>>>># >>>>>> # >>>>>># By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, and others # >>>>>># Version: 4.2 # >>>>>># Date: 03 Nov 2005 # >>>>>># Web Site: www.iviking.org # >>>>>># Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing FileMaker # >>>>>># data. For complete details about this class, please visit # >>>>>># >>>>>>www.iviking.org. # >>>>>># >>>>>> # >>>>>>######################################################################### >>>>>> >>>>>>Did you notice the ggt credit? >>>>>> >>>>>>Must have run out of room before the BobPatin credit. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>>J >>>>>> >>>>>>At 5:29 PM +0000 2/24/09, William Downs wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi there, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>silly question ( very silly actually ) - but - >>>>>>> >>>>>>>How do I find out my FX version ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Kindest >>>>>>> >>>>>>>William >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>>>FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>>>http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Jonathan Schwartz >>>>>>Exit 445 Group >>>>>>jonathan@exit445.com >>>>>>http://www.exit445.com >>>>>>415-370-5011 >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>>FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>>http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>William Downs >>>>>Development and Support >>>>>BD Databases Ltd >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>FX.php_List mailing list >>>>>FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>>http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>FX.php_List mailing list >>>>FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>>http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>William Downs >>>Development and Support >>>BD Databases Ltd >>>_______________________________________________ >>>FX.php_List mailing list >>>FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>>http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> >>_______________________________________________ >>FX.php_List mailing list >>FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From dbengston at tds.net Tue Feb 24 12:41:32 2009 From: dbengston at tds.net (Dale Bengston) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:41:39 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops. I got so excited about the party that I typed it wrong. Sorry about that. You are correct: the current version is 4.5.1. Dale On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Troy Meyers wrote: > Dale, I think you probably just transposed, I believe it's 4.5.1. I > wouldn't mention it since it's a party, but I didn't want there to > be confusion about what to put on the birthday cards. > > -Troy > >> The latest version is 4.1.5, dated 2/28/08. Maybe we should have a >> birthday party for it on Saturday! >> >> Dale > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 1582 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20090224/19979223/smime.bin From bob at patin.com Tue Feb 24 13:31:24 2009 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Tue Feb 24 13:31:32 2009 Subject: [FX.php List] FX Version In-Reply-To: References: <3b77f2170902240929h4ef7aee9ia9521bd7d364d56d@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241007r17480a27g1cfefc8cf32a033a@mail.gmail.com> <3b77f2170902241016h74b82c6blae5231f83cd3b2e1@mail.gmail.com> <826AE9F4-8030-4280-871A-246DC9FB1B9D@tds.net> Message-ID: <6035A43A-0E16-4BD7-A71C-E10017F185C4@patin.com> In this part of the country, someone's liable to throw a snake on you for that... On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > I just want to see Chris and ggt "fiddling" together. > > In Bob Patin's part of the country, "Them's fightin' words". > > J > > > At 11:12 AM -0800 2/24/09, Joel Shapiro wrote: >> I'm busy on Saturday. How's Sunday for everybody? >> >> -Joel >> >> >> On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Dale Bengston wrote: >> >>> The latest version is 4.1.5, dated 2/28/08. Maybe we should have a >>> birthday party for it on Saturday! >>> >>> Dale >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:16 PM, William Downs wrote: >>> >>>> I just upgraded - I like the debugger thingy - nice. >>>> >>>> Runs without a hitch. >>>> >>>> Thanks guys - >>>> >>>> William >>>> >>>> 2009/2/24 Gjermund Gusland Thorsen : >>>>> Version 0.1 was Desember 1999 or something like that... >>>>> >>>>> I'd say it's pretty new >>>>> >>>>> 2009/2/24 William Downs : >>>>>> Hi Jonathan, >>>>>> >>>>>> her is my header : >>>>>> >>>>>> #### FX.php >>>>>> ############################################################# >>>>>> # # >>>>>> # By: Chris Hansen with Chris Adams, Gjermund Thorsen, >>>>>> and others # >>>>>> # Date: 01 Aug 2004 # >>>>>> # Web Site: www.iviking.org # >>>>>> # Details: FX is a free open-source PHP class for accessing >>>>>> FileMaker # >>>>>> # data. For complete details about this class, >>>>>> please visit # >>>>>> #